>>> "to give you fair warning that other equally intelligent and passionately committed democrats may profoundly and completely differ to your views."

Amen. (and that said without having been patient enough to have read the long posts on each side, so I have no idea who I'd agree with)

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
--- Herbert Spencer


(PS: Why retitled "something perspiring"? Perhaps bemiring?)