wsieber - The serialists I spoke of were (from what I can remember) following the same lead as were the radical mathematicians of that time.

WW - The scale (extent) in which Bach had (even a chance) to play with diminution is/was so insignificant that the term barely applies(IMHO). His use of rhythm was restricted in many ways, most of them by his own historical circumstance.

Although it seems as if it is possible to recreate these approaches to structure with some amount of *reflective success, unlike the eye, the ear just isn't developed enough where these would make "sense"...