Dr. bill, or any one who is not a hobbled as i am on weekend with AOL, and a slow connections, perhaps you could look up ramp on line. it seem to have a short trail back to an IE root, and could like Gen, be one of those interesting words we have stumbled across here.

and WW-- check out Holiday word thread, and tell us what kind of turnips you have.. yellow, or white.. small or large.