[rant]bow ties (or tieing bow ties) reminds me of ballroom dancing-- You know how Ginger Rogers had to do everything Fred Astaire did-- only she did it on high heals and backwards-- and made it look easy.-

By age 10 or so-- I had mastered tieing a "Pretty bow" on sashes-- (remember when girls wore dresses that had fancy sashes tied in back?)-- and almost every woman can make a pretty bow on an apron-- that we tie behind our backs! So whats so hard about tieing a pretty bow under your chin! ---

some thread-- brought out the sailor in half the board-- and many knew the differerence between (among?) lines, ropes and hawsers..

tieing a square knot-- or bow is not a major skill-- this is a self select crowd-- we are all literate-- and not just any tom, dick or harry-- if we mastered reading-- surely we can master a bow![/rant]