Originally Posted By: Faldage
Originally Posted By: jenny jenny
But the concepts of free will and self-determination built the computer you are staring into today.

They may have had some influence on the minds of the people who were responsible for the computer I am staring into today, but that doesn't make them any more Real things independent of our conceiving of them.

Does not lightning flash and thunder clash?
Are they not Real things?
Does not the spoken word vibrate the atmosphere when we talk?
Do not physical patterns recur in our brain with any certain word we re-think?
Are these not Real things?