I have the fallacy of being rather black and white. I am not blaming Luther, but rather
saying that is probably a point when they disappeared pretty much for good from the
Protestant Bible, Luther or no. They are called Deuteroncanonical, meaning "secondary"
canonical, never completely accepted, but secondary, hence the 'deutero'.
My comment is that Hannukah's source is in Macabbees.
That is the only point I was trying to make, and some people consider Macabbes as Scripture.

----please, draw me a sheep----