Originally Posted By: BranShea
Philosophers may claim postmodernism (thePook) as their sublime invention, however chaotic it all may be.
Artist claim it as their invention, it's just nothing new.

No it's just equivocal language. The terms Modern and Post Modern mean different things in different disciplines. The 'Modern' in Modern Art is not the same as that in 'Modern' Philosophy. Post Modern Art is not Post Modern philosophy (though they share certain philosophical underpinnings). But what is certain is that Art grows out of world view (which includes religion and philosophy), not the other way round. And I am an artist, by the way, not a philosopher.

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The tyranny of 'New!' and the label 'New!' just overrules the fact that hardly anything presented as such is any more than a variation on an old theme. If the variation is interesting and
passionating to see or hear or read ... then what more do you want?

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course.
All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from, there they return again.
All things are wearisome, more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing. What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time."

- Ecclesiastes (1:1-10), several centuries BC.

Interestingly, the book of Ecclesiastes is largely about this feeling of Verfremdung you mention, or something akin to it.

Last edited by The Pook; 09/30/08 05:15 AM.