Uh? Let me see, I understand what Faldage and Ted are saying but TM , do you mean f.i. that there might be a third person present that Jerry Lou was talking to while Sammy was silent?? I do not totally get this. This begins to look like mathematics.

Do you here see Lou with Sammy as Lou and Sammy?
This started out as looking easy enough, but I seem to be on a side road here.