From Doug: Say, Ted, another thing we have in common... I like my pint closer to room temperature.

From Helen: even in US, the idea of putting beer into a glass with ice, is unacceptable-- most beer drinkers say Yuck!-- some think i should be stopped from doing something so disgusting in public, but i like it that way.

Proving once again that de gustibus non est disputandum. (That phrase is so universal that even I can mangle it in 4 languages!) But perhaps the two views might converge when "room temperature" shoots up above 30 degrees Celsius.

I say this because the Germans in Namibia often take their beer with ice, something they wouldn't dream of doing in Bavaria.