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#83124 11/04/02 08:55 PM
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Detectives can go out on dates???

Or either be owned by immature barnyard fowl.


#83125 11/05/02 02:56 PM
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Beaver Cleaver (capitalized here for a reason)

OMIGOD! That had never, never occurred to me! and now reminds me at once of a British kid's programme I heard about, set on a ship, that had, among its cast of characters, a Seaman Staines and a Master Bates...

I am soooo naive sometimes.

and hey, WO'N, you forgot to rhyme me, too.


#83126 11/05/02 03:19 PM
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bet you didn't understand Soupy Sales, who used to make jokes about rubbing bananas to make banana cream....pie.

even the muppet show back in the 70's when my kids were watching it, was filled with double entendre's... so i enjoyed it as much as my kids did.

most kids don't get the second level joke, and still don't get them until they are adults-- they first heard the names and jokes in an innocent time, and it take a while before they rethink them.

the often quoted dirtiest line on a television show..june cleaver to husband.."don't you think you were a little hard on the Beaver last night?"
when you heard it age X, you thought mom was telling dad not to be so strict with Beaver.. and now..?


i suspect at the time, many adults "heard" the word play, but denied it.. it was socially unacceptable to 'hear' such things, and just as the bowlderize version shakespeare are attribuated to MR. Bowlder, even though his sister actually wrote them.. but it was unacceptable to admit that a proper victorian lady would know and understand what to censor!



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and just as the bowlderize version shakespeare are attribuated to MR. Bowlder, even though his sister actually wrote them.. but it was unacceptable to admit that a proper victorian lady would know and understand what to censor!


I don't often do this, but there are several inaccuracies above I couldn't let pass unchallenged. The Bowdler reputed to have censored the Bard was a Dr., not a Mr. He also died when Victoria was 6. Presumably the bowdlerising attributed to him was completed before his death (were it not, it seems unlikely that such attribution would have been made). Since he died eleven years before Victoria ascended to the throne, whatever else his sister may have been, she was not a "Victorian" lady. Also, it transpires that both he and his sister were involved, at least according to Britannica:
(b. July 11, 1754, Ashley, near Bath, Somerset, Eng.--d. Feb. 24, 1825, Rhydding, near Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales), English doctor of medicine, philanthropist, and man of letters, known for his Family Shakspeare (1818), in which, by expurgation and paraphrase, he aimed to provide an edition of Shakespeare's plays that he felt was suitable for a father to read aloud to his family without fear of offending their susceptibilities or corrupting their minds. Bowdler sought to preserve all Shakespeare's "beauties" without the "blemishes" introduced (he supposed) to please a licentious age. The first edition, the title of which was spelled The Family Shakespeare (1807), contained a selection of 20 plays that probably were expurgated by Bowdler's sister, Harriet.



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mea culpa!

there are more and more reports that it was indeed Harriet who wrote the The Family Shakespeare, and other later volumes of expurgation and paraphrase literture. but the volumes were published under her brothers name, as it was unseemly that a women should be able to understand exactly what was offensive and why.. (it was the same expurgation text that were still being used in NYC highschools in the late sixties--one english teacher pointed this out, and suggested we go to the library and get the uncensor text, as we might enjoy it more...)

and mea culpa about the time.. i often forget that the primness, and associated hyper correctness I associate with victoria started before her time..

what would i do with out you sweetie! you kindly keep me on the straight and narrow, when in excitment, i loose contol.


#83129 11/08/02 09:45 PM
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Wolley bully (The song)
Master blaster (via Mad Max)
Magilla Gorilla (the cartoon)
Histories Mysteries (the History channel)
Tower of Power (the band)
rolly-polly -or- rinky-dinky (states of being)
goofy-doofy (Marge Simpson speaking 'French')


#83130 11/09/02 02:26 AM
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and hey, WO'N, you forgot to rhyme me, too.

modestgoddess -- hottest bodice! sorry, you asked!



#83131 11/09/02 03:16 PM
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quiet riot (if spoken in Cockney)



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bonz - It werks in 'Midwestern' too!


#83133 11/09/02 09:56 PM
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Yes, musick. You're quite right.


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