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Here is more on the Great Carbonated Beverage Debate. At last, an interactive map showing the distribution of the use of the terms pop, soda, coke and other. http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~almccon/pop_soda/According to linguistics professor Walt Wolfram of North Carolina State University, the pop-soda-Coke divide is regional, and uninfluenced by race, age or income. And note the website’s conclusion: People who say "Pop" are much, much cooler.I have nothing to add…
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I've also always wondered about the term "soft drinks." A misnomer if I ever heard one...I know it was probably coined in comparison to alcoholic beverages, but...what's so "soft" about caffeine and cocaine (which was an ingredient in the original coke and other early soda pops...thus the "pop!" I guess)?
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living in the northern part of the continental US might make you colder (especially in the winter) but cooler?
i would love to know what "others" are used, and where, like tonic, seltzer, etc...
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People who say "pop" are "cooler"...???
This must be true based on a survey of one. I am one of the least-cool people I know.
And when I hear people call soft drinks, "Pop," the term sends a shiver down my spine. I really don't like the word "pop" for soft drinks at all.
"Stop by the store and buy some pop." [shiver]
"Let's go get some pop." [shiver]
I just don't like the sound of it, yet my nickname for my daughter is "Beebop," so it couldn't be the "op" sound.
I also don't like calling soft drinks "sodas" because that bothers me, too, but not as much as pop.
Something must have happened in my childhood...
Oh, and I'm not cool, so I guess the pop thing is a good yardstick in this survey of one.
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Hmm, WW, remind me never to go grocery shopping with you. "pop" is the word I learned. I understand the others but I definitely use "pop" exclusively. So you'd probably have to run screaming out of the grocery store.
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People who say "Pop" are much, much coolerWell, heck yeah--you-all live up North; I live in a warmer climate where it's cool to say Coke.
WW, I know why *I* dislike the ...that word that gives you the shivers. It reminds me of Pop Goes the Weasel. Okay, you all are going to think I'm crazy--if you don't already. The song itself never bothered me, but. I was given a jack-in-the-box that played the tune as you cranked the handle, and invariably, of course, the clown (which I hate, anyway) would jump out where the word pop would be. As a child, oh, how I dreaded that moment! Yet I was unable to resist seeing if, once again, it would happen...
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Dear Sparteye,
Now this is an important piece of research if ever I did see one. Having grown up in Atlanta, I became accustomed to ordering a Coke. Now here, in the outback of Yankeedom, when I do that I invariably hear, "Will Pepsi do?" This last being beside the point, yes, Coke is a generic term in the South for all fizzy, non-alcoholic beverages. Great survey. I wonder if the Cassidy DARE project included such? (tsuwm?)
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For me in the UK, it had always seemed that pop is an old-fashioned word for fizzy drinks used in old comic books. ('Jolly good show Freddie! Let's get a bottle of pop, what, what?')
Now we just say the name of the drink - 'Let's get some Sprite.' or simply, 'I want to get something fizzy.'
So, is pop cool? Not, as far as I know, in the state(public) schools of London.
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I'll try to remember to give DARE a look on this; but more to the point: am I to understand that y'all 'coke' proponents don't care what kind of pop you drink?
(when I use pop or soft drink it's generally in the context of "what kind of ~ do you have?" so in Atlanta I would have to ask "what kind of coke do you have?"?!)
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am I to understand that y'all 'coke' proponents don't care what kind of pop you drink?
Depending on how close to Atlanta y'are, they ain' nothin else.
in Atlanta I would have to ask "what kind of coke do you have?"
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in Atlanta I would have to ask "what kind of coke do you have?"?!)
Well, I can't recall actually hearing that, here, but if it were asked, the server wouldn't blink an eye. Usually we say something like, "You want a coke?". If the answer is yes, the next question is, "What kind do you want?". Then the person says root beer, Pepsi, or whatever. I agree with my friend, who wrote me today that "The term "soda" was reserved for the fountain concoction of
> ice cream, flavored syrup and sparkling soda water." Though to be honest, I don't know where I'd go to get one, these days.
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the fountain concoction
you mean....a "float"?!
I'm with WW on the ickiness of the term "pop." [un-cool-e] In my fambly we tend to say "soft drink" or "fizzy drink."
Two more notes on the subject:
1. If you put a spoonful of sugar in a fizzy drink, it de-fizzes it (something my Mum taught me when I was little!).
2. In the UK, if you ask for "lemonade" when you are in a pub or restaurant, you will be given a carbonated lemon-flavoured drink. "Lemonade" as North Americans understand it is very hard to come by in the UK and Ireland. I think they call it something like "old-style lemonade" (but I am very willing to sit corrected if anyone would like to correct me).
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>talking about stuff that seems amazing to me but sends my friends to sleep I've just looked at your profile, Bonzo - it looks like you are in the right place here. I'm sure that we've been here before. In soft drink terms, my (UK) understanding is: Pop - old fashioned word, used by my parents generation, anyone of my years would regard it as an insult - implying that the person asking thinks that we are about five. Soda - The stuff that people used to put in whisky from a soda syphon (you can buy bottles of soda water now) http://www.kitsch.co.uk/babycham.htm. I never knew what a soda fountain was - I always imagined a kind of place that children could go with a fountain in the middle of the shop where you could hold out a glass and collect soda for free. I didn't like the stuff that I'd tried from a soda syphon so I couldn't imagine why anyone would want to go there. Similarly - "milk bar" - I wondered if they were places for people who didn't have fridges. Later, of course we got the "Sodastream" , a way of creating unrecognisable coloured fizzy drinks at a not particularly cheap price. Ice cream sodas were good though when you could get one (yes, MG, that must be the same as an ice cream float). > coke - we are doing fizzy drinks here, aren't we? In that case it's a generic name for coke-like drinks. So you could ask for a coke in a bar and they would say "we only have Pepsi, is that OK?". Really sad generic coke-like drinks are called "cola" and tend to only have the required colour but no particular flavour. As MG says, lemonade is a clear (or maybe yellow coloured) fizzy drink. It will only taste of lemons if it says "old fashioned lemonade" and then, probably not that much. Sometimes you will be offered "Sprite" if you ask for lemonade but it isn't really the same - too much of a lemon flavour. Flat lemonade is hard to come by, as is iced tea (although becoming easier to find). As for Irn Bru .... [Edit - spooky simultaneous reply Shona - we must be soul mates!]
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I agree with the bonzer one as regards the UK perspective (not that that appeared to matter in the original survey - Harrumph! [infringing copyright])
"Pop" is for Enid Blyton stories and comic(book)s.
If I had to come up with a general term for non-alcoholic drinks, then it would be "soft drinks" as a general term and "fizzy drinks" to restrict the list to carbonated stuff.
Something to make Coca Cola weep - if we asked for a non-specific "coke", especially in a pub, we could be given any variety of cola (including supplier's own). But the barman would "eh??" at any other kind of fizzy drink being called "coke".
Lemonade, as we know of it, is a clear drink, lots of bubbles, sugar and artificial lemon flavour. But you couldn't make a shandy with anything other than this type of lemonade and ale!
"Soda" still doesn't mean very much over here. Older people may ask for a whiskey and soda (water), but traditional soda water used to come from dispensers that don't exist any more. I can't even remember what they were called.
In some contexts you would think of bicarbonate of soda, or washing soda, but those usages are also rare. Interesting.
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No no, a float is just ice cream in a fizzy drink, of whatever flavor. Vanilla ice cream in Coke is delicious. Root beer floats enjoyed popularity also, but I've never tried one.
Shona, I hope you weren't snapping your fingers "in-your-face" to my friend! [mock warning glare e]
Jo, that is quite a site. Baby-cham? Strange name. I notice they have both syphon and siphon--the latter being how it is spelled here. I am also curius about All our products are tested at point of dispatch... I feel sure I've seen it Brit-spelled despatch.
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I was very surprised to see that in Virginia "soda" was the by far the most submitted term in the survey.
But when I looked carefully at the map of the nation, I noticed little pockets of colors indicating "other" for the top choice. I just submitted my "other" response to the survey: "soft drinks."
And, yes, Jackie, I have heard people ask, "Do you want a Coke?" And then ask, "What kind do you want?"
But usually I hear people talk about "soft drinks" and what kind they want.
Me, I don't drink many soft drinks at all. Much prefer coffee.
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Back in the late sixties, I worked for a soft-drinks firm, selling bottles from door to door an a regular round (a bit like a milkman, but weekly, rather than daily!) By coincidence, part of my "round" was in Wellyboro - where CapK is currently an esteemed resident.
In all of that part of the country, I was known as a "pop-man" and it was "pop" that I sold: but about five miles to the east of Wellyboro (I'boro and "Ah'm Ferr's", CapK) the concoction was known as "spruce" - I, therefore, was the "spruce-man" in those places.
Ironic, really, as I used to dress in scruffy jeans and a mock leather jacket and tacketty boots: anything less spruce you could hardly imagine.
I wonder if the kids of Irthlingborough and Higham Ferrers still call it "spruce"? I rather doubt it [sigh-e]
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My old roommate (he-who-used-to-be-an-oblate-monk) hailed from Corvallis, Oregon. He would add to this discussion that "soda" comes from "sodium," and where he grew up the custom was to order a "lime phosphate," as opposed to our "lime soda." Different mineral in the water. Tasted different, too, he said.
Anyone else ever come across this variation? I know I haven't, not since that one mention.
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We used to drink these all the time in my callow youth. May have been more common in Iowa City than in Chicago since I associate them with my cousin Paul, who lived there. We visited his family on occasional summers.
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well he is right about soda (usually) meaning sodium, and phosphates being different and tasting different... but boy oh boy, that is old time..
i remember having a phosphate once, as a child on some grand trip my parents went on. maybe in some small town on the way to Niagara falls...
phosphates are used in cola, (real Coke that is) at least in diet cola, less than 1% sodium and phosphoric acid is the 4th ingredient, according to the label.
phosphates are sourer than sodium based carbonation.
(lately between reading about corn (and many of the sodium based products that came from corn production, like baking soda) and Uncle Tungsten, my mind is swimming with chemistry!)
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Now that I think of it, ginger ale is more acid than all the other carbonated beverages, because it contains not only carbonic acid ( i.e. dissolved carbon dioxide, but a weak acid nonetheless) but phosphoric acid as well. The pH of ginger ale is 4-point-something, as I recall, instead of "ordinary" soda's 6-point-something.
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>Jo, that is quite a site. Baby-cham? Strange name. Yes, Babycham is/was Perry - from Apples you get cider, from pears, perry - for a while Babycham (with a rather large advertising budget) was successful. >I notice they have both syphon and siphon--the latter being how it is spelled here. I think we use syphon rather than siphon Syphon (n.) See Syphon aaaaargh! http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~ralph/OPTED/v003/wb1913_s.html> I am also curius about All our products are tested at point of dispatch... I feel sure I've seen it Brit-spelled despatch. I'm not sure, here's a definition: (from Cambridge International Dictionary of English)
dispatch, despatch
verb [T]
to send (esp. goods or a message) somewhere for a particular purpose
Two loads of woollen cloth were dispatched to the factory on December 12th.
(humorous) If food is dispatched it is all eaten quickly and eagerly.
Well, we dispatched that pizza without too much trouble!
(humorous) If a person is dispatched he or she is killed.
In the film's last five minutes our handsome hero manages to dispatch another five baddies.
dispatch, despatch
noun
Temporary staff have been employed to help with the dispatch of extra mail. [U]
A special dispatch of food and clothing was flown to the refugees this morning. [C]
A dispatch can be a newspaper report sent by someone in a foreign country, often communicating war news, or it can be an official, often military report.
In her latest dispatch Clare Duggan, our war correspondent, reported an increase in fighting.
/Sergeant Havers was mentioned in dispatches (=highly praised) for his courage.
(formal dated) If someone does something with dispatch they do it quickly and effectively.
In Britain, the dispatch box is the box on a table in the House of Commons which important politicians stand next to when they are making speeches.
(British) A dispatch rider is someone who travels between companies riding a motorcycle or bicycle, delivering important documents and messages as quickly as possible. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=dispatch*1+0
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Pop or Soda-pop would only be used at a Happy Days fan club meeting.
Soft drinks (softies) and fizzy drinks (fizzies) are used interchangeably.
Coke means Coca Cola and is found almost everywhere. If there is only a different cola, you will be offered or given this instead, depending on the location, the barman's mood, or what you are wearing.
Lemonade is a clear, bubbly, sugary, lemony concoction. Sprite is not lemonade here. The yellowy, bubbly, less sugary, more lemony concoction, similar to Lift, is generically a lemon squash. Our lemonade looks like Sprite and tastes vaguely like Lift.
Soda would usually be interpreted as soda water.
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Hi, doc!  Okay, can anyone tell me which version of lemonade first came to be called that? To me, lemonade is water--plain old water, not carbonated--with lemon juice and sugar.
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easy Jackie, many fruit juices will begin to ferment in a few hours.. apple juice first becomes fizzy as fermentation starts, and the fermantation actually acts as a preservative, converting sugars into more stables alcohols..
no reason not to think that lemonade, with extra sugar (and in times past, a common sugar was barley sugar, which ferments even faster than cane sugar) wouldn't have become slightly fizzy in a few hours... till people got to thinking fizzy is the way lemonade should be. Like orangeina, (which you can get here in US) UK lemonade is not as fizzy as soda, but not flat either.
the US has had temperance societies right from the very beginning, and people would have learned, or practiced ways not to encourage fermentation in lemonade here.
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>UK lemonade is not as fizzy as soda, but not flat either.
No - I think it has just the same amount of fizz. It is probably the cheapest fizzy drink that you can buy as it is pretty generic. Most supermarkets sell their own brand. There are a couple of brands - I remember the R. WHites TV campaign from years ago but nothing as strong a the branding for coca cola.
Orangina is now owned by Coca Cola, i think. I much prefer it to Fanta
Brand history. Orangina founded in Algeria in 1936. In 1956, brand begins sale in France. Pernod acquires Orangina international rights 1981, French rights 1984. Brand launched in US 1985 with RC/7UP Washington DC bottler; Coke Northern New England takes it on in 1986. CCE. Coca-Cola Enterprises is Coca-Cola Co bottler in France, UK, Belgium and Holland. Analyst: "This deal could be a bonanza for CCE." Bottler backdrop/friction. Pernod previously bottled Coke in France. In 1990, Coke took franchise back; sold it to CCE in 1996. In 1991, Pernod filed claim vs Coke for alleged anti-competitive practices in France. In 1/97, Coke's French unit was fined $1.8 mil. In 6/97 senior Pernod Ricard executive tells BD: "Orangina will replace (Coke's) Fanta" in 600 McDonald's restaurants in France.
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A cold drink memory of the fifties. The sweltering summer heat of the city was unbearable, so we three goodbuddies decide to hitchhike to a secret quarry for a cold swim. After our cold swim we walked to the road and sat down on the porch of a country store on the Dixie Highway US 31 and waited to dry out for the hitchhike back home. We listen through the screen door as a man in overalls asks the man behind the counter for a " Soo-dee Pop". We are easily amused. We roll all over the porch laughing. The man, we decide, is a ignorant coal miner from nearby Walker County. A minute later an old man in old-man clothes comes in and orders a " Dope". This is the funniest thing we've ever heard. We roll OFF the porch laughing. The man, we figger is a bumpkin from the backwood mountains deep in Blount County. Then a big car pulls up. A man gets out and hurries into the store. "Gimmie a Pop!" He said brusquely. We smiled knowingly. His rude manner gave him away, and besides, no one but a dadburn yankee would order a " Pop". After the yankee (spit) left we went into the store and said urbanely..."Three cokes please". And then we added, "Yes, three 16 ounce RC Colas would be fine." If a passerby on Highway 31 that day had happened to look our way he would have seen three young sophisticates sitting on the porch of Haygoods Store, sipping RC Colas, and discussing the funny, strange, peculiarities of other folks speech.
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Shona, I hope you weren't snapping your fingers "in-your-face" to my friend!
Ah, 'tweren't a snap of the fingers, Jackie, but "Snap!" as in the simple card game where you win by matching cards (values rather than suit). I'd have assumed the game was pretty universal. Would that be incorrect?
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I'd have assumed the game was pretty universal. Would that be incorrect?
Well, I know it (and what you meant) but.
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of Troy, there is a link you can click on to find the list of "other" responses, by state. Lemme tell ya, there are some real jokers in Michigan, but we be cool   .
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