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#7396 10/08/00 12:11 AM
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I just saw this at the English Culture site. Quite
entertaining as well as "Eddie"-fying.
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Mnemonic Poem
A rhyme to help you with your history lessons


This is a traditional aid used in English schools to help students remember the order of the Monarchs of England and Great Britain from William the Conqueror on to the present day:

Willie Willie Harry Stee
Harry Dick John Harry three;
One two three Neds, Richard two
Harrys four five six....then who?
Edwards four five, Dick the bad,
Harrys (twain), Ned six (the lad);
Mary, Bessie, James you ken,
Then Charlie, Charlie, James again...
Will and Mary, Anna Gloria,
Georges four, Will four Victoria;
Edward seven next, and then
Came George the fifth in nineteen ten;
Ned the eighth soon abdicated
Then George six was coronated;
After which Elizabeth
And that's all folks until her death.



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Well spotted - here's the version I know:

Billy, Billy, Henry, Steve
Henry, Dick, John, Henry Three.
Three Teds, then Richard Two;
Three more Henries - then what’s new?
Two more Teds, then Dick the Bad,
Two more Henries, Ted the Lad.
Mary, Bess and Scottish Jim,
Charles but they beheaded him!
One more Charles then Jamie Two;
Bill-and Mary, Anne - then who?
Four Georges, Billy, then Victoria -
These lists of names were sent to bore ya!
Ted the Seventh liked his fun,
Georgie was the quiet one.
Ted came when Mrs Simpson beckoned,
Then came George and Bess the Second.

Is there one for Presidents of the USA?


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I'd put them in the category of amnemonics in that they are harder to remember than the original, along with the one for the order of the planets:
My Very Earnest Mother Just Served Us Nine Pickles
and variations thereof. See
http://photon.unl.edu/jeff/humor/lists/astronomy-humor.html
or
http://www.tased.edu.au/schools/sheffidh/36/haberle.html


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jmh,

Re US Presidents (and a truckload of other lists), see:
http://www.quibs.co.uk/mnemonic.html

As usual, an innocent post sets me off on a fascinating ride on the byways of the Internet, taking me places I wouldn't have found on my own. Thank-you.


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Jo, what about Scottish monarchs?

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>Jo, what about Scottish monarchs?

Good point. I'm knee deep in the Scottish Wars of Independence with the kids. (Wading in the **** most of the time, so I keep my mouth shut).

In my day, most English childrens' knowledge of Scottish Kings and Queens started with Mary Queen of Scots and ended with James VI/I with a bit of Shakespeare (literally) thrown in. These days we have the Mel Gibson view of history. I'll have to brush up, it's all a bit tricky politically.

(Perhaps tsuwm, personal grammar advisor, would like to check my dubious ' in the last paragraph!)

For those of you who would like the full list of Scottish Kings and Queens, here are a couple of good websites. As a non-native, I'm not aware of any amnemonics but I'm sure there will be something out there.

http://www.duffus.com/scottishkings.htm
http://www.nwlink.com/~scotlass/


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my dubious '

I am reasonably certain that, as "children" is plural, the "s" should be preceded by the apostrophe to signify the possessive.


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To make possesives: add 's to singular nouns except Classical and Biblical names ending in s; add only ' to plural nouns except plurals which do not end in s.

Examples: dog > dog's, Ms. Jones > Ms. Jones's, Augustus > Augustus', Jesus > Jesus', dogs > dogs', children > children's, mice > mice's

Note the above rule does not apply to pronouns: it > its, not it's.

There are a couple of minor complications, but the above rule will hold good 999 times out of a thousand.

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How good it is to discover the rules after all these years!

Please replace childrens' with children's - at least I knew I was wrong!


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add 's to singular nouns except Classical and Biblical names ending in s

Any idea why these categories are treated differently?


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