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"Critics are like eunuchs, they can tell you how, but the can't do it themselves."
Everybody's a critic. Said George Washington (after noting that conflict of stars with stripe, design-wise), when Betsy Ross delivered the first US flag to him:
Look at the colors you chose!
The best you could do I suppose.
A peppermint stripe with royal blue,
The same as the British colors too.
Now how will we tell whose side is who?
Look at the colors you chose!
Why couldn't it have been puce,
Lavender over chartreuse,
Or possibly some exotic shade
A delicate orange, mauve, or jade
Instead of the choice that has been made?
Why couldn't it have been possibly cinnamon?"
-- "Stan Freberg Presents the United States of America: the Early Years" (1961)
Betsy's reply:
Everybody wants to be an art director.
Everybody wants to call the shots.
Everybody wants to be a flag dissector
Changing all my stars to polka dots.
Everybody thinks that they're the final word
On what is strictly out and what is in!
Howdja like a flag that features fleur-de-lis
On ochre corrugated tin!
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"Critics are like eunuchs, they can tell you how, but they can't do it themselves." George Jean Nathan
"A male obstetrician is like a mechanic without a car." - One of my (female) O&G consultants.
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some 15 years ago, a regular contributor to the NY Times Sunday magazine, wrote a very interesting column.
he was a pediatrician, and he admitted for many years, when mother's would come to him, and complain about their babies, he would say, "its just colic, they will out grow it in a few months"
then he had a kid of his own, and his kid got colic.. and suddenly, the shoe was on the other foot. Now, his sleep was disturbed, now he came home to a frustrated wife, who dumped a screaming child in his arms and demand he do something.
like many children with colic, he son continued to gain weight, and generally thrive.. but the doctor admitted, that for the first time he understood how mother could smother a baby, shake a baby, or even feed spoon full's of brandy to a baby, anything, to get it to stop crying.
I don't think that its required to for doctors to personally experience something to understand it, but... there is something about personal experience...
the doctor continued to tell mothers, "this will pass, the baby will get over it" but now he added, "Here are some things you can do for the baby, (rocking, car rides often help) and here is what you need to do for your self, since it is a very upsetting time for you.." he became more empathetic, with the mothers frustrations. it didn't do anything for the babies and their colic, but it made him a better doctor, for the mothers!
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"Critics are like eunuchs, they can tell you how, but the can't do it themselves." George Jean Nathan
You don't have to be able to lay an egg to know when one is rotten.
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With regard to the female O&G consultant disparaging male obstetricians, I would have liked to ask her why the females never made any effort to found a science of obstetrics, never getting beyond being midwives with no effort to record cases, accumulate knowledge, and know how to treat difficult cases.
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You are joking, right, Dr Bill?
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ReI would have liked to ask her why the females never made any effort to found a science of obstetrics, never getting beyond being midwives with no effort to record cases, accumulate knowledge, and know how to treat difficult cases.
How do you know they didn't? most of what the midwive's knew was total ignored by men. and the catholic church and other powers that be encourged the destruction of midwifes, and their knowlegde, since they also know about birth control, and abortions.
Many of the "treatments" for difficult cases, are so unnatural, so intrusive, so removed from woman, and the woman being in control of the birthing experience, the mid wifes wouldn't have used them any way.
i had to fight in 1973/1976 for the right to natural childbirth. (an anethesteiolgist was called "just in case" i had to pay for his time, and he attempted to give me 'gas'--when i ripped off the mask, he asked my doctor if i need to be restrained! he told me i didn't know what i was doing, he was helping me.. He (the anethetist) just presumed because he was the doctor, he knew better than me.
I had perfectly normal vaginal deliveries, i had no real complications. yes, there was pain, but by the time you got to the delivery room, 90% of the pain was in the past.. and now, at the last minute, they want to knock me out, and steal from me, the end result? My OB/gyn knew better, he told the guy, he was listening to me, and he wasn't going to do anything contrary to my wishes.. and so i remained awake, alert, and i gave birth.. consciously bringing forth my children.
many doctors have attitudes is so different from mid wives attitudes, and womans attitudes.
the newest trend is to birth with out even midwives.
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"How do you know they didn't?" Dear of troy: That is not your usual good sense. If the midwives had been literate, they could have written books. But they didn't. They did and still do good work, but if a woman needed a Cesarian section, what then?
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Dear Dr Bill ...Opinion: where the he** did you get the idea that midwives were all illiterates?
Sure, maybe in 1400 up to the mid-1700s many were but there are diaries and documentation from those years, by midwives that are held in private and ecclesiastical collections. Births had to be recorded and records kept! And most were stashed in the local monestary or church office.
The majority of midwives were certainly literate after the mid-1700s. They kept records and they billed their clients, in effect they ran a small business.
According to my great-aunt (who worked in medicine in early 1900s) midwives were used almost exclusively in hospitals in the mid 1800s to deliver babies and doctors were called in only when a C-section or the like was needed. And there were fewer C sections then, as midwives were so skilled in birthing! And a C section was considered a death sentance for the mother.
Things went along very well with midwives attending birth both in hospitals and at home.... until the doctors decided the women midwives were not capable.
Sorry to be abrupt but it was the propaganda by MDs that made women think a midwife wasn't a capable health provider.
In my opinion it was a matter of money.
There were medical practitioners who saw OB as an easy money maker as soon as women were having babies in hospitals -- after discovery of what caused childbed fever by Ignaz Semmeleweis -- before that, to best of my recollection, over 75 percent of women who had babies in hospitals died of "childbed fever" caused by dirty linen and doctors going direct from autopsies to examining patients with NO antiseptic procedure. They did not even wash their hands! How long did it take Lister and Semmeleweis to convince doctors that antiseptic procedures were a life and death matter? - YEARS!-
So,in tose days, fearing hospitals, women had babies at home.
Nowadays, with MDs so expensive there is a resurgence in midwifery. And now men are taking it up!
Money again!
Better read some history of midwifery, preferably written by women!
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You really pushed my buttons on this one, Bill. Sorry for the rant ... no personal hostility intended ... this isn't the first time I've heard that statement and I just saw red!
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Dear wow: Instead of such a long (deleted) , wouldn't it have been simpler to give author and title of an obstetrics book written by a midwife over fifty yeata ago?
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