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#68294 04/30/02 11:11 PM
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I can't recollect the latinate terms for several pathological behaviors; like "kleptomania," for one who pathologically steals. Could anyone help me with others? (like the one for pathological lying?) Thanks!


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Surprisingly the term pathologic liar is often used. Sometimes the term Münchhausen Syndrome is used.


On February 22, two centuries ago the "baron of lies" Karl Friedrich Hieronymus Baron von Münchhausen passed away. Born in 1720 in Bodenwerder, Münchhausen served initially as a page to Prince Anton Ulrich von Braunschweig, and later as a cornet, lieutnant and cavalry captain with a Russian regiment in two Turkish wars. Münchhausen was known during his lifetime as an excellent raconteur of anecdotes about war, hunting and travel adventures. After the death of his first wife, Münchhausen married a 17-year old noblewoman. This marriage was an unhappy one which constantly drove him to debt and caused scandals.

His first tales of adventure and wonder appeared anonymously in 1781-83 in the magazine "Vademecum für lustige Leute". In 1786 the librarian Rudolf Erich Raspe published an English edition entitled "Baron Münchhausen«s Narrative of his Marvellous Travels and Campaigns in Russia". The book success and the second edition was translated into German in 1786 by the writer Gottfried August Bürger who added eight of his own stories to it. This became the prototype for the subsequent genre of the Münchhausen wonder tales. In 1788 Bürger added another five wonder tales to this collection and brought
out an enlarged second edition. In subsequent years there were several adaptions of the Münchhausen stories in different forms, such as the novel (K.L. Immermann), drama (H. Eulenberg, F. Lienhard; H. von Gumppenberg) and film (screenplay by E. Küstner, 1943).


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Is there a term for pathological WELCOMER? Cos I think that's what I'm becoming. It's a good question you've posed, Thetes, can't wait for all those latinate experts to get in here... (personally I think we could call them latin-late experts). Anyway, glad to have you with us. May you enjoy many a word-worthy post!


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Is there a term for pathological WELCOMER?

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And just by the way - there was a movie made just a few years ago... well maybe 10 or so... about this larrikin: it had a very young Uma Thurman, Robin Williams, Eric Idle (Monty Python fame), and a few other well-knowns. It's a great flick; I found it totally enthralling.

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I think they're just called manias. I'm sure there's DSM criteria for them.

http://phrontistery.50megs.com/mania.html
http://www.quisdom.com/people/B0001_mania.html


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The Münchhausen film was directed by terry Gilliam, also of Monty Python. I think it's called "The Adventures of Baron von Munchhausen."

But I thought Münchhausen's Syndrome was when a person deliberately makes himself ill for the attention. It's different from malingering in that the person is truly sick, and different from hypochondriasis as well. An example might be a person who injects dirty bath water into his veins in order to contract an infection.

Münchhausen's Syndrome By Proxy is an unusal disorder in which a person makes another person ill, such as a child, in order to receive the attention.

...Actually I just made all this up because I am a pathological liar.


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When a pathological liar (present company excepted) calls him self a liar, is he telling the truth?


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Some persons afflicted with brain damage "confabulate" meaning they make statements with no factual background, often giving totally false personal history, but not in attempt to benefit from the deception.
One patient I well remember was an alcoholic with brain damage and loss of memory. In a group in the dayroom he told a yarn about having been a war correspondent in WWI.(He was too young for that to have been possible.) He told of going on a British warship sent to a small group of islands in the Pacific to persuage the Queen of the islands not to allow a German submarine to obtain water and other supplies there. The Captain of the warship had been especially instructed to do everything possible to secure the Queen's cooperation. So when the ship lay at anchor, and the Queen came aboard, the captain ordered "Battle Stations!" This called for all the seamen to line up along the rail, and empty their bladders, an ancient precaution to prevent large splinters of deck from penetrating urinary bladder if enemy cannonballs hit the planking. When the Queen saw this, she insisted on fellating each sailor. Then she demanded having sex with the Captain, and insisted on a position that resulted in both his legs getting broken. And from there it got wilder and wilder.
That's an extreme example of confabulatory pathologic fabricatory lying.

P.S. I solemnly deny being afflicted with this disorder.


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