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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: Anglish-English-Inglish? #6668 12/18/00 07:17 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass >There are no other normal words in English containing -eng- I challenge that with a vengeance; what about penguin? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Anglish-English-Inglish? #6669 12/19/00 04:49 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta B Bingley Carpal Tunnel Bingley Carpal Tunnel B Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta NicholasW: There are no other normal words in English containing -eng- Tsuwm: I challenge that with a vengeance; what about penguin? Tsuwm, I think Nicholas was talking about words coming to us from Old English (aka Anglo-Saxon), while your examples are later imports. Bingley Bingley Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: i pronounced schwa? #6670 12/19/00 09:24 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 393 London N NicholasW enthusiast NicholasW enthusiast N Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 393 London The original poster showed their NZ origin by saying a stressed /i/ as in England could be a schwa. As to unstressed /i/, this depends on dialect. A word like 'indivisibility' consists of all the one vowel in RP, and in modern southern British only the final vowel is different (a short form of the [ i] in 'seat'); but in most accents the unstressed vowels are neutralized. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: i pronounced schwa? #6671 12/19/00 09:55 AM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England NicholasW said: The original poster showed their NZ origin by saying a stressed /i/ as in England could be a schwa. I'm no linguist but I if you listen carefully, the "E" is not only unstressed, but it disappears. (I always thought that "schwa" applied to a whole syllable, by the way, not the way one letter of it was pronounced. I stand corrected). The average New Zealander actually pronounces it "Ngland" and kills the "E" stone dead. Funnily enough, I can't think of any other word which suffers this fate. "Angle", for instance has the "a" stressed, not removed. It may have something to do with the prevalence of the Maori "nga" structure, but since that is pronounced "ngaaa", probably not. The idiot also known as Capfka ... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: i pronounced schwa? #6672 12/19/00 11:01 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 393 London N NicholasW enthusiast NicholasW enthusiast N Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 393 London (On England becoming Ngland in NZ) More likely to be a general feature of English, once the e had become schwa: that is, that schwa + sonorant is usually realized as syllabic sonorant. 'garden' is /ga:d@n/ or /ga:dn-/ where /n-/ represents the syllabic nasal. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Anglish-English-Inglish? #6673 12/19/00 11:09 AM Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 444 Sydney Australia B Bridget addict Bridget addict B Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 444 Sydney Australia NicholasW: There are no other normal words in English containing -eng- Tsuwm: I challenge that with a vengeance; what about penguin? Tsuwm, I think Nicholas was talking about words coming to us from Old English (aka Anglo-Saxon), while your examples are later imports. 1. NickW quoted penguin as a 'modern' import 2. How long have length and strength (lingth and stringth?!)been around in English? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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