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RPT-Beatles wanted to do Rings film in 1960s - media
Thu Mar 28, 8:19 PM ET
WELLINGTON, New Zealand (Reuters) - John Lennon wanted to play the grasping, thieving
creature Gollum in a 1960s Beatles version of the "Lord of the Rings," New Zealand movie director
Peter Jackson told Wellington's Evening Post newspaper.
Jackson, whose own version of the first book in the fantasy trilogy, "The Fellowship of the Ring,"
won four Oscars (news - web sites) this week, told the newspaper that the Beatles' idea fell flat
when author J.R.R. Tolkien rejected the plan.
Ex-Beatle Paul McCartney, who was to play the hero Frodo in the movie, told Jackson about the
plans at the Academy Awards (news - web sites) in Hollywood, the Post reported.
"It was something John was driving, and J.R.R. Tolkien still had the film rights at that stage, but he
didn't like the idea of the Beatles doing it. So he killed it," Jackson told the newspaper.
George Harrison was to play the wise wizard Gandalf who advises the hobbit Frodo in his quest to
destroy the evil golden ring at the center of the epic tale of good versus evil, one of the most
popular books of the 20th century.
Ringo Starr was to play Frodo's devoted sidekick Sam, while Lennon would take the part of the
hobbit-like creature that tracks the heroes throughout the story, trying to get his hands on the
powerful ring.
"There probably would've been some good songs coming off the album," Jackson said of the
Beatles' plan.
Jackson is currently working on the second film of the trilogy for AOL Time Warner Inc.'s New Line
Cinema.
"The Two Towers" is due out in December and the last film, "The Return of the King," will follow
next year.
Reuters/Variety
And, according to reports, guess who John Lennon had all set to direct?...Stanley Kubrick!!!
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GAAAAAHHHHHHH!
O thank GOD the Beatles didn't get their hands on The Lord of the Rings! I can only imagine it and it AIN'T PRETTY! Don't get me wrong, I luuuurrve the Beatles - but not as Gollum, Frodo, Sam and Gandalf.
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I imagine the score would've produced some good and intriguing music in keeping with The Beatles astounding compositional skills (and I'd love to have another album of original Beatle tunes!). But, yeah, seeing McCartney as Frodo in a Kubrick flick would've been stranger than strange!  Although, somehow, I can see John getting away with Gollum. 
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I can hear Gollum singing to Frodo:
I wanna hold your hand
(and then cut the ifnger off!)
And then the Beatles could do a new rendition of
When the Ents Come Marching In.
Or The Ents go marching two by two.
Or one of the many dead teenager songs featuring high school class rings.
Or even: Whose a Frodo? The Big Bad Wolf?
The Nazguls could become 76 Strong Clones
I... must... control... myself...
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I'm guessing it could make a nice musical, though, in the right hands.
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After all, if they could do it to Aida...
But then, Prince Igor did OK as Kismet, and The Taming of the Shrew as Kiss Me Kate, and Romeo and Juliet as West Side Story - maybe we shouldn't scoff :-)
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AAAUUUUGGHHHHH! (as Charlie Brown would say) My brain is in pain. The Lord of the Rings as a MUSICAL?! I could see someone trying to turn it into an opera. But a MUSICAL?! Can't these entertainment types show some restraint! 
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Well, why not a musical? I can just hear Paul's ballads: "There was a little elven maid, A stenographer by day ..." (Sorry, Bored of the Rings!) 
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entertainment types Huh? And, gee, what if some innovative creative minds were daring enough to take an artistic risk like, say, Walt Disney, who turned a Grimm's Fairytale fantasy into a musical called Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, or the folks who decided to take a shot at turning an L. Frank Baum children's fantasy called The Wonderful Wizard of Oz into a musical film?...our lives and the world would be so much the poorer for being desecrated by such generic fluff! O the horror! the horror! "O the horror! the horror!"???...hmmm...yes, yes!...I bet Stephen Sondheim could turn Conrad's The Heart of Darkness into a musical of distinguished caliber...let's put him on to it immediately!  And those other "entertainment types" like Lerner and Loew, who had the audacity to transform Pygmalian into My Fair Lady, or Rodgers and Hammerstein who took Michener's Tale's of the South Pacific and made it into a (gulp) musical play, or Cole Porter turning The Taming of the Shrew into that pulp piece Kiss Me Kate, or Loesser and Loew or took classic Damon Runyon stories and came up with that travesty Guys and Dolls, or Lloyd Webber who dared insult us by turning a horror story like The Phantom of the Opera into an operetta, and Leornard Bernstein and Stephen Sondheim who utterly defiled Romeo and Juliet by cloaking it in a modern setting and coming up with (gasp!) West Side Story ...and the list just goes on and on... These "entertainment types" who assault us with such things as Three Penny Opera, Showboat, The Man of La Mancha, Les Miserables, Fiddler on the Roof, The Sound of Music, A Chorus Line, Sweeney Todd, A Little Night Music, Cabaret, Camelot, Pippin (a hobbit's name, wouldn't'cha know?), The Fantastics, Porgy 'n' Bess (da noive of dat Gershwin! ), and so many others, should be stopped immediately from this continued barrage against our integrity! Damn them all!
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Yeah! and how dare Mel Brooks take something as horrible as the Nazi era and turn it into a farcical musical-within-a-musical?? I'm offended, I tell ya.
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But the ultimate is taking the story of the crucifixion of Jesus and turning it into Jesus Christ Superstar. Notwithstanding the fact that it provides historical perspectives not found in the gospels!
EDIT: I didn't notice this before, but the way my post reads implies that I am criticizing Superstar. I didn't mean to be. Since the first time I saw it it has been my favorite production of any kind. Rivalled now by some of the stuff Branagh is doing (Hank 5 being the best of that lot.)
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Ah Whit. You've just listed a WHOLE BUNCH of reasons why I HATE "these entertainment types." I dislike most things Disney, including Snow White; I dislike The Wizard of Oz (such a poor rendering of the wonderful tale from the book). Kiss Me Kate is shite, whereas The Taming of the Shrew is brilliant. Don't know what the book The Phantom of the Opera is like, but the Lloyd-Webber "operetta" is also shite. (Pardon me but being a theatre lover, I can't help but loathe and despise stage shows that try to be like movies.) West Side Story's crap, Fiddler's crap, Chorus Line's crap, Camelot's spamalot. The Sound of Music, Les Mis, Guys and Dolls and My Fair Lady are exceptions to the rule....Guys and Dolls is the perfect musical, with intertwining and very satisfying master and sub-plots, loads of memorable tunes, and people we can cheer for - characters that grow and change. It's fun and charming and witty and romantic, all without being the smarm-fest that a lot of the shows you mention are. Sorry, that's the theatre critic in me coming out. I've just seen way too many shows to want to put up with bad ones. And like I said - maybe The Lord of the Rings would make some kind of phenomenal opera. But NOT a musical. Yes, Cabaret got away with a heavy subject (another wonderful show) - but I don't think a fantasy could get away with it - not without a light-hearted romance - and there is nothing light-hearted about the romances in LOTR. What I object to, about what was outlined by the article in the OP, is filthy-rich egomaniacal entertainers deciding they want to muck about with much-loved favourites from the world of literature. They don't care about what the original material was about, or what the message was, or the atmosphere - all they care about is putting themselves in the limelight again and stroking their considerable egos. Tolkien was right to refuse the Beatles. Jackson did a great job. No, it's not the book. But it's a damn sight better than anything the Beatles could've done. When, o when, will entertainers realise that just because they're good at one thing (singing/acting/dancing/etc), it doesn't necessarily follow that they will be good at another? Look at almost any model-turned-actor, and many singers-turned-actors....There aren't a lot of exceptions. Will Smith springs instantly to mind.... One thing I've always admired about Stratford (Ont.), where I used to work in the box office, was the large number of "triple-threat" performers. Most of the actors there could also sing and dance a treat. It made the musicals really great fun to watch - something that a lot of musicals on film just aren't, because the acting is sacrificed so that the singing will be good. What is required, for a compelling performance, is an actor who can sing and dance - not a singer or hoofer who can't act his/her way out of a paper bag. My rant. Getting down off my soapbox now.... 
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Ah Whit. You've just listed a WHOLE BUNCH of reasons why I HATE "these entertainment types."Well, mg... I'm sorry, but there's just something disturbing to me about seeing the word HATE (in huge letters) attached to the names of magnificient composers, writers, choreographers, and others, who (despite the admittedly garagantuan egos of all artists) strove to create something postive for the world and to enrichen all our lives. To put that word next to names like Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, Jerome Robbins, Arthur Laurents (West Side Story), Cole Porter, Kurt Weill, Bert Brecht, George Gershwin, Michael Bennett, Jerome Kern, Jerry Bock and Sheldon Harnick ("Fiddler"), Richard Rodgers, Oscar Hammerstein II, Alan Jay Lerner, Frederick Loewe, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Tim Rice, the creators of Wizard of Oz, and Walt Disney(???), just makes me shudder. Sounds almost Hitlerian, really. Granted, there's always a financial motive as well, mostly for the producers...but, it's not like they're selling weapons, you know? You're entitled to dislike West Side Story, but it is certainly not crap...and, for me, to enter into a discussion on this point is just too ridiculous a notion to bother. From all my experience in the theatre (and I was one of those "triple threats"), there is nothing more damaging to a musical production than to cast, especially as a lead, one of these head-strong actors who think they can fake their way through the singing and dancing on the strength of their acting alone. A good actor can always put over a song (see Rex Harrison in My Fair Lady for the definitive study in the fine art of "talk-singing", but how many Rex Harrison's are there?)...however, more often than not, these music-less actors don't have the range to pull it off, and instead weigh the production down by just mouthing the score and lumbering through the dance numbers with the grace of a dinosaur. On the other hand, good singers, are usally good actors, having the depth and range of emotion they bring to their songs, and also to the lyrical intepretation involved therein. Rarely have I seen a good singer turn in a bad performance as an actor. So as far as a musical production is concerned, I'll take a strong singer to a "rapping" actor any day...it is, after all, the musical theatre. I certainly hope you can qualify your "lofty" criticism from more theatrical experience than sitting in a booth selling tickets. It's certainly difficult for me to fathom how you can claim to be a "theatre lover" after your rendering of the above remarks. (And do you really think The Wizard of Oz should have never been made in lieu of preserving the "integrity" of a short children's story?) And, ending on a brighter note, I do see some commendable salvation for you in your laudet of Guys and Dolls.
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I certainly hope you can qualify your "lofty" criticism from more theatrical experience than sitting in a booth selling tickets.Well, this just makes me want to call you an ignorant twat, but instead I am going to mildly say: Ah Whit. I've spent MOST of my adult working life in the theatre. I first went to Stratford when I was 7. I took "theatre arts" for three years in high school and have been involved, onstage or behind the scenes, in numerous productions. No, I'm not an actor - but then, your confession that you were a triple-threat just shores up my belief that actors are often not very good judges of performance. (Oooh. That's for looking down your snotty nose at me for selling tickets.) It's true, in my experience: they let their egos get in the way, they don't want to believe something might not be exactly as wonderful as THEY think it is. How do you know they were hoping to "enrichen" (the word is "enrich") our lives? how do you know they weren't just hoping to make an indecent amount of money? Just as you shouldn't go getting all high-and-mighty with a ticket seller you've never met, assuming she must be some ignorant slob from Hicksville, you also shouldn't attribute noble motives to people in the entertainment industry whom you've never met, assuming they must be patron saints of the performing arts. I do HATE it when people prostitute good material for the popular conception of the "bottom line" - money. To me, the bottom line always has been, and always will be, QUALITY. I'm not interested in seeing some supposed creative type rape a perfectly good story. On the other hand, I applaud creative genre-swapping when it's done with integrity and a genuine love for the original material - hence, I thoroughly enjoyed both Bridget Jones's Diary, the novel, and Bridget Jones's Diary, the film. The two differed on a lot of points but each was a delight in its own genre and both conveyed, humorously and in an over-the-top kinda way, what it's like to be a 30-something chick in contemporary society. The truisms in that book and that film ARE truisms for many women in that age category (in case you want my credentials on this one, I'm female and 34 and have a lot of female friends in their early and mid-thirties with whom I have discussed both book and movie. Okay?). Certainly most of the people you mention were (or are, for the extant ones) talented, some of them even very talented. That doesn't stop me hating what some of them have done with wonderful material. For you to suggest that I am being "Hitlerian" is positively hyperbolic of you. (But I suspect if you want to do that, you might be better off making his name an adjective by adding "esque," not "ian.") And no, it's not "like" they're selling weapons. But some of them definitely are contributing to the mushifying of the brains of hundreds of thousands of theatre-goers. Finally, I never think anything "should have never been made." If I feel that way about something, I think it "should never have been made." edit PS: And I LOVE (assuming you don't object to that word in caps) Jesus Christ Superstar (can't remember who posted about that show). Think the "bottom line" on this thread is: everyone has different favourites, different ideas of what's good and what's bad, and our opinions are strong. I doubt I'll get you to agree with mine - you certainly won't get me to agree with yours. If I want to eschew ever watching Cabaret (the film) again because I felt the stage show was streets better, that's my prerogative. If I want to watch Enchanted April (the film) over and over again because I LOVE how it improved on the book, that too is my prerogative. Now get off my case. I STILL (ooh, caps AGAIN!) say LOTR would be descrated if 'twere made into a musical; and I STILL say I can imagine it as an opera. Stamp it, no erasin', no nuthin'.
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descrated
That's desecrated...with an e.
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Gee, whit, that was characteristicly right on-point. Perhaps you might leave it in the manner of a theatrical pair whom I know to be among whit's favorites?
Higgledy piggledy.
Gilbert and Sullivan
Collaborated and
Got very rich.
Nevertheless and quite
Characteristicly,
Each thought the other a
Bit of a twitch.
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But the ultimate is taking the story of the crucifixion of Jesus and turning it into Jesus Christ Superstar. Notwithstanding the fact that it provides historical perspectives not found in the gospels!Hmmm. Life of Brian provides historical perspectives on the whole thing not found in any book, gospel or not! " e's not the Messiah, 'e's a very naughty boy!" And so are the two of you (you know who I'm talking about) for slagging each other over what are personal preferences and daring to mention them!
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Thank you Keiva and Capital K for bringing us back to ourselves....(and with a quote from Life of Brian, in the latter instance, and G&S in the former - I do love this board!)
And thank you Whit for catching that error - touche!
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