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I came across "Honorificabilitudinitatibus", it is from a Shakespearean play "Love's labour Lost" and is supposed to mean "a nonsense word" I didn't quite get it . It is also alleged that if it is arranged in an anagram it proves that Shakespearean plays were actually written by Francis Bacon !! Can somebody shed light ??
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honorificabilitudinitatibus doesn't 'mean' a nonsense word, rather it 'is' a nonsense word, meanng roughly "with honorableness". btw, speaking of nonsense words, a shaconian is someone who is convinced that Bacon ghosted Shakespeare's plays. http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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Meanwhile, welcome aBoard, indianaugust.
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Dear indianaugust: How about you giving us a discussion of "Indian summer"?
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I have a hunch that Indian summer is caused by marked transient shift in jetstream, bringing short duration of warmer than normal temperatures. I first heard the term from Galsworthy's short story by that name. I wondered what he knew about American aborigine culture.
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Oh well, indian summers are not that bad. i have seen temperatures like 110-120 in Delhi but I am not sure whether Simla was ever that hot. The scorching heat of summer has its own charm with all the nimbuwallahs (people selling lemonade) lining the streets. There are all other kinds of exotic drinks like jaljeera (spiced and chilled water) and burfgola (a mound of ice covered with viscous sweet liquids, served on a wooden stick). Days are long which usually means that children playing cricket on the street, roadside, pavement, rooftop .. practically any stretch of space enough to provide a respectable pitch, can stay out longer and enjoy the light at dusk. Summer was actually a lot of fun. Nostalgic sighs...............!
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Wow, two posts then the discussion deviates unrecognizably. Is this a record?
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I confess, I've been eagerly awaiting more on honorificabilitudinitatibus. I tried to get an anagram, but the string was too long. Darn!
added after reading the next post: I guess the 'more' I wanted would be about the anagram that allegedly proves the theory.
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>two posts then the discussion deviates unrecognizably. Is this a record? I've gotta believe that it's been done with the first reply. :) http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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Honorificabilitudinitatibus
Dear indianaugust,
I had a look at this a couple of days back and tried to work out a number of anagrams which contained either Francis, Bacon or a combination of both. There is only one 'c' in the word so the combination is out. I couldn't come up with anything significant using the other words. Sorry.
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Welcome, indianaugust, both to this board and to the U.S. I saw your nostalgic comment, and feel compelled to add that I think most childhoods must seem nostalgic in some ways--I mean, children have pretty much no responsibilities, for the most part. I imagine that, if you had been one of those nimbuwallahs (neat word, thank you!) and had to worry about things like whether you had enough supplies, and how much money you'd make for the day, you mightn't look on summer with such nostalgia. I enjoyed my summers as a child, but even then didn't like the heat and the bugs. Here's our past discussion on shaconian: http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=13659
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I found this randomly on the net, don't know how much credence can be given to it....
The anagram is
"hi ludi F. Baconis nati tuiti orbi"
translation: These plays, F. Bacon's offspring, are preserved for the world
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I found this randomly on the net, don't know how much credence can be given to it....
The anagram is
"hi ludi F. Baconis nati tuiti orbi"
translation: These plays, F. Bacon's offspring, are preserved for the world
I had a feeling that, with seven 'i's in it, it had to have been a Latin anagram. However, I wouldn't put too much faith in such a presumptive statement as the one above. Some people spend a lot of time trying to bulid apt anagrams out of names, phrases and quotes with often remarkable results (you can find the results on many joke pages on the web) and I think this is what has happened here. I think we can safely consign this one to the crank heap.
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I have long resisted with great difficulty the temptation to post my all-time favorite poem, Richard Hovey's Barney McGee. But "honorificabilitudinitatibus" makes the temptation irresistable. tswum will find a few wwftd’s for his amusement.
Note, and apology: The was originally posted in two columns, with the pre-format command. tsuwm tells me that made the page go wide, so I've just not converted to one column -- which becomes very vertical; to minimize verticality, the last few verses are put in a separate post which is three posts below.
Barney McGee, there’s no end of good luck in you
Will-o’-the-wisp, with a flicker of Puck in you,
Wild as a bull-pup and all of his pluck in you, —
Let a man tread on your coat and he’ll see! —
Eyes like the lakes of Killarney for clarity,
Nose that turns up without any vulgarity,
Smile like a cherub, and hair that is carroty, —
Wow, you’re a rarity, Barney McGee!
Mellow as Tarragon, prouder than Aragon —
Hardly a paragon, you will agree—
Here’s all that’s fine to you!
Books and old wine to you!
Girls be divine to you, Barney McGee!
Lucky the day when I met you unwittingly,
Dining where vagabonds came and went flittingly,—
Here’s some Barbera to drink it befittingly;
That day at Silvio’s, Barney McGee!
Many’s the time we have quaffed our Chianti there,
Listened to Silvio quoting us Dante there,—
One more to drink Nebiolo spumante there,
How we’d pitch Pommery into the sea!
There where the gang of us met ere Rome rang of us,
They had the hang of us to a degree.
How they would trust to you!
That was but just to you.
Here’s o’er the dust to you, Barney McGee!
Barney McGee, when you’re sober you scintillate,
But when you’re in drink you’re the pride of the intellect;
Dival a one of us ever came in till late,
Once at the bar where you happened to be—
Every eye there like a spoke in you centering,
You with your eloquence, blarney, and bantering—
All Vagabondia shouts at your entering,
King of the Tenderloin, Barney McGee!
There’s no satiety in your society
With the variety of your esprit.
Here’s a long purse to you,
And a great thirst to you!
Fate be no worse to you, Barney McGee!
Och, and the girls whose poor hearts you deracinate,
Whirl and bewilder and flutter and fascinate
Faith, it’s so killing you are, you assassinate, —
Murder’s the word for you, Barney McGee!
Bold when they’re sunny and smooth when they’re showery, —
Oh, but the style of you, fluent and flowery!
Chesterfield’s way, with a touch of the Bowery!
How would they silence you, Barney machree?
Naught can your gab alley, learned as Rabelais
(You in his abbey lay once on a spree).
Here’s to the smile of you
(Oh, but the guile of you!)
And a long while of you, Barney McGee!
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...sung to the tune of "A Heavy Dragoon is the Residuum"?
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Our local meteorologist, Larry Green, maintains taht Indian summer is a technical term for a warm period following the first hard freeze in the fall. Of course here in Denver we don't need to wait for the first day of fall for a hard freeze. Some yeras ago we had a snowstorm on seventh September that broke down so many trees we had to organize to clean up the neighborhood. We piled branches ten feet deep on a five acre site in the center of the neighborhood. That's a LOT of branches. The city mulched them for us, and the mulch pile itself was estimated at over 50 tons.
This may not seem like much to many people, but this is an area where no trees grow naturally, and the ones that are here are expensive to cultivate and maintain.
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[continuation -- see "note and apology, in red, 3 posts above]
Facile with phrases of length and Latinity,
Like honorificabilitudinity,
Where is the maid could resist your vicinity,
Wiled by the impudent grace of your plea?
Then your vivacity and pertinacity
Carry the day with the divil’s audacity;
No mere veracity robs your sagacity
Of perspicacity, Barney McGee.
When all is new to them, what will you do to them?
Will you be true to them? Who shall decree?
Here’s a fair strife to you!
Health and long life to you!
And a great wife to you, Barney McGee!
Barney McGee, you’re the pick of gentility;
Nothing can phase you, you’ve such a facility;
Nobody ever yet found your utility,—
That is the charm of you, Barney McGee;
Under conditions that others would stammer in,
Still unperturbed as a cat or a Cameron,
Polished as somebody in the Decameron,
Putting the glamor on prince or Pawnee!
In your meanderin’, love, and philanderin’,
Calm as a mandarin sipping his tea!
Under the art of you,
Parcel and part of you,
Here’s to the heart of you, Barney McGee!
You who were ever alert to befriend a man,
You who were ever the first to defend a man,
You who had always the money to lend a man,
Down on his luck and hard up for a V!
Sure, you’ll be playing a harp in beatitude
(And a quare sight you will be in that attitude)—
Some day, where gratitude seems but a platitude,
You’ll find your latitude, Barney McGee.
That’s no flim-flam at all, frivol or sham at all,
Just the plain — Damn it all, have one with me!
Here’s luck and more to you!
Friends by the score to you,
True to the core of you, Barney McGee!
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I was recently gifted The Complete Pelican Shakespeare, and a companion book came along with it that provides the citation for the origin of the Latin anagram derived from honorificabilitudinitatibus. Here's the complete passage for context (bringing this thread back up because it's short enough):
>The anti-Stratfordian traditon began with the champions of Francis Bacon, who in their heyday a century ago specialized in finding cryptograms and anagrams claiming Bacon's authorship buried in the plys. The first renowned Baconian, coincidentally aptly named Delia Bacon, is renowned for her attempt to dig up Shakespeare's bones in hope of proving her namesake's title to the works. From there it only got wilder. The cipher craze began with a fiery American congressman and utopian reformer named Ignatius Donnelly, who in 1888 published a thousand-page tome called The Great Cryptogram: Francis Bacon's Cipher in the So-Called Shakespeare Plays. Donnelly also credited Bacon with the so-called works of Marlowe, Montaigne, and many others--780 plays in all. Others followed suit, in the apparent conviction that Hamlet and King Lear were less interesting as tragedies than as braintasers. One erudite Baconian, Sir Edward Durning-Lawrence, discovered that the playfully pendantic word honorificabilitudinitatibus in Love's Labor Lost could be rearranged to read Hi ludi F. Baconis nati tuiti orbi, or "These plays, F. Bacon's offsrping. are preserved for the world." Rarely has classical learning been put to such ingenious use.<
--from The Authorship Debate, by Joseph Sobran; included in The QPB Companion to Shakespeare, edited by Brand Geist, 2002
I noticed our resident Latin scholar hasn't checked in on this one. ["alert"--aside--non-white font](hi, Faldage!) [/"alert"] Wonder if you can corroborate that translation for us?
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our resident Latin scholar
While we're waiting for a Latin scholar to show up, the Latin looks more or less legitimate to me. I might like to see a periphrastic esse in there somewhere, but it may have been common to leave that out. And who am I to argue with the redoubtable Joseph Sobran (whoever he was)?
But, as Rubrick pointed out, it's not always difficult to pop an anagram out of almost anything. I think someone once used a technique espoused by some purveyor of encoded Biblical prophecies to prove that:
A) Moby Dick was equally prophetic, and
2) The aformetioned purveyor was proven by the very same Bible to be an utter fraud.
Þ) Or, as the three bats used to say, "Give us the answers you want and we'll come up with the questions to get them for you."
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In reply to:
The cipher craze began with a fiery American congressman and utopian reformer named Ignatius Donnelly, who in 1888 published a thousand-page tome called The Great Cryptogram: Francis Bacon's Cipher in the So-Called Shakespeare Plays. Donnelly also credited Bacon with the so-called works of Marlowe, Montaigne, and many others--780 plays in all.
This must be the same Ignatius Donnelly who came up with the idea that Plato's Atlantis really existed in the Atlantic and was the site of a super advanced civilisation, refugees from which founded all other ancient civilisations.
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the same Ignatius Donnelly who came up with the idea that Plato's Atlantis…
And that the Dialogues were written by Francis Bacon?
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