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I was figgerin that as 100%. I allus gets confused when you start talking percents.
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stales...
One hundred per cent of the time that I've heard the expression "by the same token" it was used in the context, as exampled below...
"Well, Clem is out of jail, I bet he learned a lesson."
"Yeah but, by the same token, in jail they teach you better how to steal."
That is- A divergent possibility emanating from the same base. That is- from the same token (meaning small) of information, other likelihoods can be construed.
Say Faldage, how did you get your 9's and 6'es close together to make percentage signs?
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96% - it's just a function of the font, mils http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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Something like 20-25% of all white NZers are of Irish descent
And about 100% for Maoris, of course.
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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by tells us: 'That's the end of the penny section'...Whatever does this mean?
Never heard the phrase used personally, but I would envision it comes from a hundred years or so when a seat on the trolley/tram/whatever cost more or less, depending on where you were in the vehicle (front or back). And there would be a ?variable or fixed line of demarcation between the two, thus the "end of the penny section" and the beginning of the more expensive seats...how's my imagination?
(works just as well for seats in the theater, too.)
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I can go you at least 50% better than that.Wait Max. You're not related to the Mullingar Quordlepleens, by any chance? 
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My sources don't address the specific phrase "by the same token," but the etymology of token suggests the origination of the phrase:
teach ... 1. "To teach or show, guide (obs senses), hence to guide educationally, to show to (someone) by way of instruction, derives, via ME techen, from OE teacan, akin to OE tacen, tacn, a token, whence, indeed, MRE taken, later token -- as still in E. With OE .. OFris .. and OHG ... MHG .... G ..., to provide with means of recognition or knowing.
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TOKEN, a mark, sign, memorial, coin. ... allied to Teach. The base *taik answers to Idg. *doig, 2nd grade of *deig, which seems to be a variant of Idg. DEIK, to show, indicate;
This seems to be a case in which the phrase sprung from a direct use of the original meaning of the pertinent term, token, as a means of recognition or knowing, rather than from a metaphor based on the derivative use of token as a substitute currency or other symbol.
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The penny section does come from a long time ago, but it's origins are actually quite simple. It's based on the fact that at some time one zone or section on public transport, probably the bus, cost one penny. A zone or section can be defined by the company however it likes, but it's usually distance-related. When you reached the end of the section or zone, you either stumped up for the next section or got off and walked.
Nothing mysterious about that!
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