Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
#57008 02/15/02 04:13 PM
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,189
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,189
What I am 'moaning' about is that a reference book gives examples of such incorrect usage of words.
Pairing twenty with many is akin to giving a false definition in a dictionary. IMHO.


Yeah, that should never be stipulated in a text or reference book, I wholeheartedly agree. I guess the sanctioning of stuff like this in official text is part of the "dumbing-down" process in our educational systems that we've discussed so much. How these strange and erroneous inclusions, and blatant omissions, make it into print and then escape the perusal of textbook screening/selection committees, I'll never know. It's sadly amazing.


#57009 02/15/02 05:18 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
Whit and I, being avid members of the Ogden Nash Amiration Society, can hardly object to poetic use of dubious rhymes. I heartily agree with your point about non-poetic use.


Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,562
Likes: 1
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 10,562
Likes: 1
I suspect Gilbert was distorting deliberately to make the rhymes cute, as Nash did later. Putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable, when it served his purpose. He (Gilbert) did it again, and with the same sound at that, in Iolanthe:

Fairy Queen:
Oh Chancellor unwary,
It's highly necessary
Your tongue to teach
Respectful speech
Your attitude to vary.
Your badinage so airy,
Your manner arbitrary
Are out of place
When face to face
With an in-flu-en-tial Fairy.

Lord Chancellor:
A plague on this vagary
I'm in a nice quandary
Of hasty tone
With dames unknown
I ought to be more chary.
It seems that she's a fairy -
From Andersen's library -
And I took her for
The proprietor [sic]
Of a la-dies' se-mi-nary!


#57011 02/15/02 10:01 PM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
M
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
M
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409

#57012 02/15/02 10:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,891
B
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
B
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,891
Then again, our friends across the pond rhyme "horse" and "sauce".

Um, don't they say it that way in Boston? I may be way off base as the only Bostonian accent I've ever heard was Colonel Winchester's in M*A*S*H




#57013 02/16/02 02:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 320
S
enthusiast
Offline
enthusiast
S
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 320
Um, don't they say it that way in Boston?

In fact, people in Boston and in northern New England don't pronounce horse and sauce with the same vowel sound. Horse becomes "hoss," while sauce has a more drawn-out aw sound. This gets complicated, and it's hard to explain without getting into phonemic transcription (which I wouldn't dream of doing here).
It's interesting that Hollywood has generally failed miserably in trying to reproduce true NE accents. The actors often come off sounding vaguely southern US. A recent instance is In the Bedroom--a first-rate story well told, but I couldn't believe any of them were from Maine.


#57014 02/16/02 04:36 AM
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 688
A
addict
Offline
addict
A
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 688
...was Colonel Winchester's in M*A*S*H

Major Charles Emerson Winchester III that is! The Colonel was Colonel Sherman T. Potter.


#57015 02/16/02 10:54 AM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,891
B
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
B
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,891
Ah bien, you are absolutely right Angel. What is that vitamin one is supposed to take for memory, I'll take a handful please


#57016 02/16/02 12:24 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
Dang it, what was the name of that vitamin? It was on the tip of my tongue; just can't recall...
Dammitol©.


#57017 02/16/02 12:37 PM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,636
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,636

Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Jackie 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Statistics
Forums16
Topics13,913
Posts229,374
Members9,182
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
Newest Members
Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV
9,182 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 161 guests, and 0 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
Top Posters
wwh 13,858
Faldage 13,803
Jackie 11,613
wofahulicodoc 10,562
tsuwm 10,542
LukeJavan8 9,919
AnnaStrophic 6,511
Wordwind 6,296
of troy 5,400
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 1994-2024 Wordsmith

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5