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Yeats on RonsardPierre de Ronsard is one of my favorites. To see where Yeats was coming from, the following from the Sonnets pour Hélène:
Quand vous serez bien vielle, au soir, à la chandelle,
Assise auprès du feu, dévidant et filant,
Direz, chantant mes vers, en vous émerveillant:
«Ronsard me célébrait du temps que j'étais belle.»
Lors vous n'aurez servante oyant telle nouvelle,
Déjà sous le labeur à demi sommeillant,
Qui au bruit de Ronsard ne s'aille réveillant,
Bénissant votre nom de louange immortelle.
Je serai sous le terre, et fantôme sans os,
Par les ombres myrteux je prendrai mon repos;
Vous serez au foyer une vieille accroupie,
Regrettant mon amour et votre fier dédain.
Vivez, si m'en croyez, n'attendez à demain;
Cueillez dès aujourd'hui les roses de la vie.When you are very old, by candle glow, Beside the fire where you spin and skein, You'll sing my songs, and murmur once again, "I was admired by Ronsard long ago." And then your servant, sleepy now and slow With labour, when she hears that soft refrain, Will wake to recognise my deathless strain On praise of beauty that I used to know. My body will be underground, and I A boneless wraith; and this will be your fate, A bent old crone, remembering with a sigh My love and your contempt for it -- too late! Then live, believe me, live without delay; Gather the roses of your life today. translation by Reine ErringtonThis was a common theme with poets of the time. Compare with Marvell's advice to the virgins, "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may". Someone wanted more poems. One of my favorites, which includes two expressions which nearly everyone will recognise, is Thomas Gray's Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard which is too long to quote here, but you can see it at http://www.library.utoronto.ca/utel/rp/poems/gray4.html
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Can anyone call from memory the poem from which came the lines :
"From dust thou art, to dust returneth was not written of the soul." ?
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Life is real! life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
A Psalm of Life -- Longfellow
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Thank you Tsuwm! I'd corrupted it over time ... happy to have it, and have it right.
You're a gem.
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High Flight
John Gillespie Magee Jr.
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings,
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew.
And, while silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
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For a bio of the author, just 19 when he died in WWII. Google --High Flight"+poem ---for several interesting sites some with photos.
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Bobyoungbalt: What do you think about this: http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/9282/sonnet.htm Do you think it works? I have been brought up as a child listening to the poetic form of a Ghazal and the way this person has used it is not very effective at all (read "Murder!"). Also which in your opinion is the best form of the sonnet?
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Bobyoungbalt....
Yeats on Ronsard
Pierre de Ronsard is one of my favorites. To see where Yeats was coming from, the following from the Sonnets pour Hélène
You are so considerate to provide the translation.
There is a dash of playfulness in the Ronsard that somehow tempers the aching regret.
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In reply to:
Does anyone know when and why Islam adopted their opposition to "the grape?"
Some Muslims here in Indonesia interpret the prohibition as being against getting drunk rather than alcohol per se. Perhaps they're right and that was the original intent, and then just to make sure people didn't get drunk others tightened the prohibition up a bit.
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>Pierre de Ronsard is one of my favorites. To see where Yeats was coming from, the following from the
> Sonnets pour Hélène
>You are so considerate to provide the translation.
>There is a dash of playfulness in the Ronsard that somehow tempers the aching regret.
I have never known Ronsard. Okay .. off on the search to know another poet.
>"I was admired by Ronsard long ago."
He uses his signature - known as "Maqta" and very common in Arabic and Urdu poetry
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