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#5049 - 08/07/00 06:30 AM hoi polloi
johnjohn Offline

Registered: 07/05/00
Posts: 167
Loc: Australia
have we lost the struggle to stop the usage "the hoi polloi" becoming common in English ( - tautological because "hoi" is the Greek definite article)? Does this annoy anyone else or are there just bigger battles to fight?

#5050 - 08/07/00 08:13 AM Re: hoi polloi
Jackie Offline

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Registered: 03/15/00
Posts: 11613
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
Indulging in your hobby, aren't you, Dear? That's all right--I have rather a tendency to that myself, to my
husband's annoyance!

Er--I would venture the opinion that your last phrase would correctly sum up the situation, particularly because use of the three words is so very widespread. Reminds me of one of the threads that was new when I first subscribed to the Board: that chaise longue has become chase lounge.

#5051 - 08/07/00 09:09 AM Not to mention kudos!
TEd Remington Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 3467
Loc: Marion NC
I man I work with frequently wants to give a person a "kudo" for a job well done. It is in vain that I try to tell him that he means a kudos. The word history in my Webster's unfortunately gives a grudging nod to this maltreatment.

"Although the form kudo has not achieved general acceptance and the construction 'kudos are' is often considered incorrect, the linguistic processes in the development of kudo/kudos as the singular and plural forms of an English noun are highly productive and have been going on in English and other languages since prehistoric times. The development of the singular pea from the earlier singular form pease is an examploe of the same kind of reanalysis."

I also once worked for a guy whose whole career was wrapped up in trying to impress his superiors. He once had to give a briefing that I had prepared. Most of my bosses would have let me give the briefing but this guy wanted to impress the three-star general. There was a slide he didn't understand, so he sent me a note asking me to provide him with "cryptic comments" he could use to explain the slide if the general asked him for it. I had to ask my coworkers to stop me from doing exactlywhat he wanted, which would have proved most embarrassing for him. I could not get this dope to understand that cryptic meant something other than terse, which is what he really wanted. Lord, I was tempted!


#5052 - 08/07/00 11:45 AM Re: Not to mention kudos!
Jackie Offline

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Registered: 03/15/00
Posts: 11613
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
>>Lord, I was tempted!

Kudos to you for your restraint.

#5053 - 08/08/00 12:20 AM Re: hoi polloi
Bingley Offline
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Registered: 04/09/00
Posts: 3065
Loc: Jakarta
If people stopped saying the hoi polloi what would we use as an example of a pleonasm?



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