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>CK, what is a "progrom"?
perhaps he meant "pogrom"; you can never be quite sure about these hypercorrections.
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his sounds similar to the way in which the current US "war on terrorism" manages to avoid mentioning
awkward details like NORAID, and the fact that US money has kept the IRA alive for decades.
Just so we stay on word-related subjects, I suggest we all read linguist Noam Chomsky's books on the power of words to brainwash Americans into thinking ourselves innocent of terrorism ourselves. There - wasn't that nice and apolitical?
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There - wasn't that nice and apolitical?
Yes it was. My post ws only intended to show that "terrorism" means different things to different people. It has also been pointed out to me that I should make clear that the "US funds" I mentioned came from private citizens (Bostonians mostly), not the US government.
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CK, tsuwm: treating pogroms as a subject of levity is grotesquely repulsive -- far beyond even the tasteless "rape" jokes to which of troy justifiably took offense.
CK, reiterating my question: in this thread you have stated that progrom cannot be used as a verb, but you have laughingly used it as a noun. To what noun were you referring?
Explain yourselves, gentlemen -- carefully.
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>CK, tsuwm: treating pogroms as a subject of levity is grotesquely repulsive...
I have no comment as I was not a party to any levity -- I was as puzzled as you by 'progrom' and was merely suggesting the only alternative which came to mind.
incidentally, pogrom is a Russian word which had a broader sense of devastation or destruction.
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not so, tsuwm. You and CK, so erudite, surely know that "pogrom" is a much more specific word.
bartleby: "pogrom NOUN: An organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group, especially one conducted against Jews.
ETYMOLOGY: Russian, outrage, havoc, from pogromit', to wreak havoc". typically including rape amid the pillage
"Keiva" was the name of my Russian Jewish grandfather, who lived though the pogroms. Whose niece -- blood of my blood, who I knew personally in her old age -- was raped in a pogrom at age 14 (!) Indeed that 14 year old girl, to protect her ten-year old sister, had taunted the pillaging cossacks in the hope that they, occupied with enjoying her, would not search out and find her sister's hiding place.
Not a subject of wordplay, CK; not one to be dismissed as mere "hypercorrection," tsuwm. How would you feel if others made so light of the rape of your blood-relative?
Or is rape -- organized, state sanctioned rape -- of (by definition) a mere jewess somehow a lighter matter of less import to you?
And if so, what am I to think of your values, sirs?
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not so, tsuwm. You... surely know that "pogrom" is a much more specific word.
I surely do, but this is what I said, with emphasis added. it differs not from the etymology you quote:
incidentally, pogrom is a Russian word which had a broader sense of devastation or destruction.
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I must admit here that I winced when first reading the whole "progrom" comic references because it was too close to pogrom for comfort. I agree with Keiva that even inadvertently comic references to tragic atrocities should be avoided. And this comes from a fairly lenient jokester...
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I can't disagree more... "specifically" since *this inadvertency is/was clearly of the unintentional variety... but not "especially".
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musick, I am most grateful for your good grace in implying (by calling the choice of words "inadvertent" and "unintentional") that the word used was in fact offensive.
Fortunately, we need not poll opinions of what meaning was intended, since the gentlemen who spoke earlier can speak for themselves as to what they intended.
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