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What heathens!
You've lost the thread, TEd, we're not discussing hens in heat.
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>I have also never heard during as derring. Daring is "derring".
this is probably just a matter of different pronouncing guides. how would you pronounce 'derr'? I wouldn't think with a long a. I would show daring as /DARE ing/ and during as /DUR ing/ (midwestern flat dur, with no j or y influence)
>By the way, why is derring-do always written that way, and not as daring-do?
interesting question -- it was given to us that way by Spenser and Sir Walter Scott (and glossed by them) as an erroneous pseudo-archaism.
c1374 Chaucer Troylus v. 837 Troylus was neuere vn-to no wight+in no degre secounde, In dorryng don [v. rr. duryng do, dorynge to do] şat longeth to a knyght+His herte ay wiş şe firste and wiş şe beste Stod paregal, to dorre don [v. rr. durre to do, dore don] that hym leste. 1430 Lydg. Chron. Troy ii. xvi. (MSS. Digby 232 lf. 56a/2; 230 lf. 81a/1), And parygal, of manhode and of dede, he [Troylus] was to any şat I can of rede, In dorryng [v. rr. doryng(e] do, this noble worşy wyght, Ffor to fulfille şat longeş to a knyŠt, The secounde Ector+he called was. [edd. 1513, 1555 In derrynge do, this noble worthy wyght.] 1579 Spenser Sheph. Cal. Oct. 65 For ever who in derring doe were dreade, The loftie verse of hem was loved aye. [Gloss., In derring doe, in manhood and chevalrie.] Ibid. Dec. 43, I durst in derring do [mispr. to] compare With shepheards swayne. 1590 I F.Q. ii. iv. 42 Drad for his derring doe and bloody deed. 1596 Ibid. vi. v. 37 A man of mickle name, Renowned much in armes and derring doe. 1820 Scott Ivanhoe xxix, Singular+if there be two who can do a deed of such derring-do. [Note. Derring-do, desperate courage.]
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And in some novels of Japanese samurai, warriors invited maidens to walk in woods for a demonstration of bushi-do.
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Wordwind. The mispronunciations seem to tend in favor of attentuation, for instance, "candidit" for "candidate". This may be part of a general trend in favour of attentuated spelling characterized by the droping of unecesary leters. The trend is most pronounced in the U.S.A. whilst the British hold out with stiff upper lip as usual. For instance: "favor" instead of "favour" (which remains in favour in England and with your neighbour to the north, Canada), "Savior" instead of "Saviour", "neighbor" instead of "neighbour". We also see it in words like "crystallize" and "crystalize" which are correct either way. Is this an erosion in values or just an erosion in the alphabet, I wonder? Speaking for myself, I'm not sure. Perhaps the trend toward attenuated spelling is related to the trend towards "Casual Fridays", which became the trend towards "Casual Monday thru Fridays", and has now become the trend towards "Casual 24/7". Trends are always running downhill ... or so it seems to lexicographers and elocutionists, not to mention haute couturalists.  I have also spotted the trend amongst horticulturalists.
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This may be part of a general trend in favour of attentuated spelling characterized by the droping
of unecesary leters.
Wll, thn, lt's jst drp vwls ltgthr! Isn't there precedent, as in ancient Hebrew?
Perhaps this "casualization" of language fits in with the law of thermodynamics that says that everything is headed towards entropy.
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Jackie: The during that I hear is durring in which the "urr" rhymes with the "urr" in "blurring"--that is if you pronounce "blurr" to rhyme with the "er" in "wander." I never hear here in Virginia "dooring" or "dyooring."
How 'bout the "r" in the second syllable of February? Have you noticed that people in your locality drop that "r"? I am fervently punctilious in enunciating that "r"--but it is a dying dog here in Virginia, which, in the Richmond area, is often pronounced, "Vuh-GIN-yuh," shiver, shiver.
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the law of thermodynamics says that everything tends towards entrophy
You may have something there, Geoff. Things can get so laid back, they will end up laid out. That would be Chaos ... at least that's my theory.
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One of my pet peeves in pronunciation is the use of a "schwa" in far too many places where the printed vowel sound could help listeners get the word.
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wwh: Schwhat? Could you please give some examples. I'm being obtuse here, but, even though I know what a schwa is, I don't understand the particulars of your peeve.
Thanks, from this most humble soul, for any edification,
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I have a related schwa peeve -- I understand its use in multisyllabic words, but what the heck is the rationale behind using it in monosyllabic words??
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