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Helen, I am not disputing that there is a (vast) difference between rape and seduction. My point is simply that the legend is differently interpreted: sometimes as rape (e.g., the Yeats poem), and sometimes as seduction. Interestingly, most googled sites refer to it as "seduction". And where the myth is rendered in painting or sculpture, Leda often appears to be a, shall we say, willing participant. It is unclear whether Leda had come to realize as of the "moment of truth" that her lover was in fact Zeus in swan form, rather than a true swan. http://www.magna.com.au/~pyb/pcres/focus/zeus.htmIt would be interesting to try to establish whether the "rape" interpretation pre-dates the Yates poem. IMHO, one detail of the legend is psychologically inconsistent with the "rape" interpretation. The detail is noted as follows in http://www.thanasis.com/mythman/mnov99.html: How can I put this delicately? Leda, apparently not entirely satisfied with Zeus'...er...swan song, had also lain with her husband Tyndareus that night, so the actual parentage of Helen, Castor, Polydeuces and Clytaemnestra was a tad suspect...My uncle Homer insisted that Helen alone was a daughter of ZeusIt seems to me highly unlikely that a woman, if raped, would later have "lain with her husband" that very night.
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In the course of googling the above, I found that many satellites of the planet Jupiter were named after Zeus' love interests. Those I can readily identify are boldfaced below (* indicating male). Jupiter has 16 satellites: Adrastea, Amalthea, Ananke, Callisto, Carme, Elara, Europa, Ganymede*, Himalia, Io, Leda, Lysithea, Metis, Pasiphae, Sinope and Thebe. Question: Were others so named as well? At least one satellite is an interesting contrast: Ananke is the powerful deity that rules compulsion, constraint, restraint, or coercion, and presides over all forms of slavery and bonds http://hsa.brown.edu/~maicar/Ananke.html
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The difference between Rxxx and Romance is just a question of salesmanship. (From a college humor mag.) I do not necessarily share sentiments of allegedly humorous quotes I post.
The philosopher to daughter bit was published in Reader's Digest fifty years ago. I have heard more than a few lectures on rxxx. There is a very wide spectrum. With a kook, resistance may be fatal. For an impetuous youth, a martial arts blow to family jewels may be appropriate.And I suspect the ladies who protested have an emotional problem not necessarily shared by rest of feminine participants.
Dear Keiva: that mythology URL was sensational. I very much enjoyed it, and award you the palm for best URL of the month.
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I trust that in this particular case dr. bill does not agree with (indeed violently disagrees with) said sentiment, and quotes it merely for the allegedly-humorous expression thereof.
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I would draw your attentions to the fact that the word "rape" is often not meant in the sense of violent, non-consensual intercourse. It is often a shortened form of "rapine" as in rape and pillage. This had nothing to do, at least directly, with the other meaning of rape, although it probably comes from the same roots and is an extension of the original meaning. Help, Joe Friday! You have better references that I do.
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you rang? there are 6 nouns, 3 verbs and an adjective, all homonyms of rape. but who's counting? our rape and rapine are cognates of the L. rapere, but who cares? let the muses have their way with us:
The act of taking anything by force; violent seizure (of goods), robbery. When Kings their Crowns without Consent obtain, 'Tis all a mighty Rape, and not a Reign. [De Foe]
The Rape of the Lock, by Pope
The act of carrying away a person, esp. a woman, by force. Rape call you it... to cease [seize] my owne, My true betrothed Love. [WS]
We need not refer to the rape of the Sabines. [Scott, Rob Roy]
Violation or ravishing of a woman. Also, in mod. usage, sexual assault upon a man. This... treates of Tereus treason and his rape, And rape I feare was roote of thine annoy. [WS]
transf. and fig. Thou hast... done a rape Upon the maiden vertue of the Crowne. [WS]
-joe (a rape is a turnip) friday
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>So you see the sort of rape depends on what you pay
yup, a turnip.
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">So you see the sort of rape depends on what you pay"
As in tale of bimbo told her ten dollar bill was counterfeit, and yelled "I've been rxxxd!
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