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excuse me, but ..Helen of Troy, whose mother loved a swan,
as i heard the story, it was not a case of consentual sex.. the, um, swan, might have been a god, but he was also a dog.. and it was rape.
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I had two complaints that while we may say "it was not a case of consensual sex" we may not use the rxxx word.
Faldage: that means you too.
Keiva: You also.
incidentally all of the classic paintings of the event have smiles on Leda's face. Why wasn't she looking upset?
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when rape is inevitable
That's easy for you to say.
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Dr. bill i hope you have a good, sturdy hard hat.. i think a ton or two of bricks are about to fall..
since this thread is light hearted, i will PM my brick bat or two or a thousand..
thank you, faldage-- obviously, no fool are you!
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You're welcome, Helen. I find that "advice" to be extremely objectionable.
And a Fool need not be a fool
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it was not a case of consentual sex.. the, um, swan, might have been a god, but he was also a dog.. and it was rape. the osamania question? ----- it was rape There seem to be variations of the legend -- or of its interpretation. Contrast: http://www.artfromgreece.com/stories/v29.html: Zeus, master of disguise when it came to seducing women, changed himself into a magnificent swan, which Leda quickly fell in love with.http://www.wesleyan.edu/col/comps/leda3.htm: W.B.YEATS "Leda and the Swan": based on mythical story of Zeus taking the form of a swan, raping Leda(the Yeats poem itself appears at http://www.princeton.edu/~rhwebb/leda.html)
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Keiva-- Leda saw a beautiful swan.. It was majestic, and didn't frighten her. she had been persued by Zeus, but had more or less rejected him. she was naked, and bathing (in the sense of washing, not swimming. getting ready for her marriage. she was a virgin.. see didn't see the swan as threat, she felt free to admire it.
of course, as we now know, it wasn't a swan, it was more like a wolf in sheeps clothing. it was a disguise to get past her defenses. and one he did, he raped her. she didn't fall in love with Zeus. okay, maybe she wasn't the smarted one in the class, Zeus was known for these kind of tricks, but the lady had told him No.. and he didn't understand it. N!O! No! there is only one way to interpt NO.
do we need a thread on the meaning of word NO?
mind you, i am not against the story, or the poems, or the imagery. but part of the story is, Leda said no, and Zeus did it anyway. sure it was a different culture, and different time, but rape was recognized. (albeit, sometimes as more damaging to a man, since it rob him of certainty of paternity, but it was recognized, and not considered anything praise worthy. Zeus might be able to get away with it.. but no mere mortal could!
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From Atomica:
rape
n.
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
I thought that the Rape of Leda used the second sense of "rape" above. Or was that just for the sanitized myths I read as a little girl?
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Remember the high expectations of the citizen band radios of the sixties? Remember how "Hey Goodbuddy what's your twenty, a Smokie's a smoking at two-double-two." quickly became, "So grab fat Mabel and put her on the table and put the petal to the metal and put your stick to the floor." What say, Movergrovers,come on?
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