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>and i am not in the market for someone!
-m-y-h-o-p-e-s-
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It's simple enough, tsuwm. You make all (or most) of your income at whatever it is (assuming there are those who do it for the love of it) you're a professional, if you do it entirely for the love of it you're amateur. If you make a large portion of your income doing it but another large portion doing something else (say, selling cars) you're a semi-pro. Semi-pro baseball used to be a big thing in this country. Every little business had its baseball team, some rivalled professional teams. But then, some companies hired former greats for their baseball talent and gave them night watchman jobs that they could sleep through just to have them on their teams. It has nothing to do with quality of talent but it is easy enough for someone to caste aspersions (before or after swine) on someone who doesn't make a living wage at a sport, thus making amateur a derogatory term.
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some of the semipro town ballteams I mentioned bring in over-the-hill major leaguers to play. so what should we call these guys who prolly have more money than we could ever dream of and now presumably are playing just for the game. semiamateurs?
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<<so what should we call these guys who prolly have more money than we could ever dream of and now presumably are playing just for the game. semiamateurs>>
I'd rather think you can earn half enough to live but only love wholly. Call them semi-retired.
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A woman advertising for a professional, as opposed to a professional film-maker or ball-player, for example, is probably looking for a college educated salaried worker with above average income.
One predominantly female vocation, nursing, was or is in the midst of demanding it be regarded as a profession, presumably for advantages compensation.
Presumably, also, the professions arose with the advent and growth of the middle classes.
Not to mention the professional ball player's father who was never a professional coal miner.
"Professional" is a nuanced term, but it almost always stakes out a position in the labor market and a region of class.
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One can be a professional without being a member of a profession. The woman advertising for a professional had better say a professional what. She'll have lawyers come applying for the job of archbishop she wants filled.
And you don't have professional coal miners because you don't have amateur coal miners to distinguish them from.
"Hi, you probably don't recognize me because you're used to seeing me in my professional baseball player's uniform, but during the winter months I enjoy a good day's work breathing coal dust here two miles underground. When I get out and I'm looking for a good bar of soap I can't be bothered with dirty cash. I use American Excess. Don't leave home without it."
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<<And you don't have professional coal miners because you don't have amateur coal miners to distinguish them from. [etc.]>> While I agree with your definition of 'professional' (and find your retort funny) I do not agree that that definition is exclusive. Below is a partial bibliography, available at http://palinurus.english.ucsb.edu/BIBLIO-BUSINESS-new-class.html#general, which suggests there may be a broader scope of definition: * Burton J. Bledstein, The Culture of Professionalism: The Middle Class and the Development of Higher Education in America (New York: Norton, 1976) * Barbara and John Ehrenreich, "The Professional-Managerial Class," Radical America, Part 1, 11 (March-April 1977): 7-31; Part 2, 11 (May-June 1977): 7-22 * Amital Etzioni, ed., The Semi-Professions and Their Organization: Teachers, Nurses, Social Workers (New York: Free Press, 1969) * Magali S. Larson, The Rise of Professionalism: A Sociological Analysis (Berkeley, CA: Univ. of California Press, 1977) * M. Oppenheimer, "The Proletarianization of the Professional," Sociological Review Monography no. 20 (1973): 213-27 * W.J. Reader, Professional Men: The Rise of the Professional Classes in Nineteenth-Century England (New York: Basic, 1966)
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Re: One predominantly female vocation
[feminist rant]
Ha! Yes, lets call nursing, child care and teaching vocations things people do for love, and so we don't have to pay them decent wages... unlike careers, or professions, things people chose to do, for both love and money!
in the not too distant past, woman were, to a large degree, limited to these professions, unless they had independent money, or strong family support. But men were free to have careers and professions.
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I do not agree that that definition is exclusive.
Context, my dear Rock Island.
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<<Context, my dear Rock Island>>
What you mean to say is that you concede the point.
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