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#40091 09/12/01 12:48 AM
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Sorry I can't do better, Bingley; my information is from a TV show of several months ago. At least I can say it was a serious show (PBS?), and not one of those pseudo-science productions. But you can believe this: had I seen no such show I'd have no idea that there is such a thing as a hyoid bone!

Perhaps google can help; there can't be too many entries on "hyoid".





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>there can't be too many entries on "hyoid".

only 3780 for "hyoid bone"!


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I think there's more to speech than just the hyoid bone. Neanderthal man (and woman) had, in comparison to today:
a different shaped (flatter from memory) palate
a larger tongue
a larger jaw
higher (as in nearer the top) vocal cords
less well developed (hence less controllable) musculature in the oropharynx and nasopharynx

And of course they had much less to talk about...


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I confess. One reason I wanted more information was because I didn't know what the hyoid bone was.

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The following link summarises (not too technically) pro and con arguments on Neanderthal speech:

http://sapphire.indstate.edu/~ramanank/language.html

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#40098 09/12/01 12:55 PM
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... including [sigh]

Date: Sun Jan 9 00:19:27 EST 2000
Subject: A.Word.A.Day--hyoid
X-Bonus: Dictionary: A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. This dictionary, however, is a most useful work. -Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914), [The Devil's Dictionary, 1906]

hyoid (HIE-oid) adjective

Of or relating to the hyoid bone, a U-shaped bone at the base of the
tongue that supports the muscles of the tongue.

noun

The hyoid bone.

[New Latin hyoides, the hyoid bone, from Greek huoeides, shaped like the
letter upsilon : hu, name of the letter upsilon + -oeides, -oid.]

"Even the discovery in Israel a decade ago of a Neanderthal skeleton
with a large hyoid bone, which is in the throat and associated with
speech, had not settled the issue of Neanderthal speech."
John Noble Wilford, Early man had the ability to speak,
The Dallas Morning News, 4 May 1998.

This week's theme: words for miscellany.



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>139 when you add speech.

my work here is done.




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my work here is done.
Well, stick around anyway, okay? Your presence is wanted, here.


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