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#33283 06/28/01 08:52 PM
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I was about to say something about shark not being too difficult to deal with, and being quite yummy with a citrus/vodka sauce a chef friend of mine introduced me to, but I will not turn this word thread into a food thread. I won't do it!


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I will not turn this word thread into a food thread. I won't do it!

You don't have to, tree frog.




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I guess I meant a thread about food for humans, rather than large marine predators, but looking back I see that Bill had already taken us down that path.

And that's tiny little green spotted tree frog, to you, Seņor Faldaje.


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Dear Fiberbabe: Sharks developed at a time or place where the water was not saline. When the water began to become salty, they began to retain so much urea in their body fluids that they were relatively isotonic with sea water. If you are interested here is a URL about it

http://www.science.mcmaster.ca/Biology/4S03/dm.html

You have to scroll down to D, where it talks about elasmobranchs (which includes sharks)


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Oh, GOOD one, Aunt mav!


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I hope that reviving old threads is not considered bad form here, but your post expressed my sentiments. The strident insistence that "architecting" is valid seems to come only from some in the 'IT' sector, and they seem in no hurry to explain why the "other" architects have no need of a unique verb to describe what they do. If Christopher Wren, Frank Lloyd Wright and Mies van der Rohe were happy to "design" buildings, why should the Johnny.com latelys in the software business feel such a pressing need to take a perfectly decent noun and bastardise it into an ugly verb? Surely if they really "must" have a verb all to themselves, they could invent one, rather than blag one? Perhaps they feel that stealing a grown-up word will solidify their rather amorphous job description.


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The strident insistence that "architecting" is valid seems to come only from some in the 'IT' sector, and they seem in no hurry to explain why the "other" architects have no need of a unique verb to describe what they do.

Well said, Vernon!
It seems to me what the so-called "IT sector" are in a hurry for is to get to the "next best thing" and they are not taking the time to build their own vocabulary for their
"inventions" and their methodology.

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It seems to me what the so-called "IT sector" are in a hurry for is to get to the "next best thing" and they are not taking the time to build their own vocabulary for their
"inventions" and their methodology.


Ah, but then you're making some incorrect assumptions about IT sector cohesion. Most terms are made up on the spot; those which sound appropriate are adopted on a kind of "catch-as-can" basis. Not everyone agrees with the outcomes (see my post above).



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It was so much easier in the old days [nostalic rant] You started off as a computer programmer. progressed to being a systems analist, and perhaps became a data processing manager (or director) later on. Nobody talked of architecture - even though the old steam-driven computers were massive structures (and I am only refering to second generation m/cs here - the first generation computers were complete buildings in themselves!) Even third generation machines had rooms to themselves and teams of acolytes serving them. Perhaps it is because the machinery has become insignificant in stature that it needs to have grandiosity in its monenclature [/nostalgic rant]



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Brick and mortar architects design buildings; in IT design is what software programmers do at a program level. In the brick and mortar milieu (Parm my French, E) we have city planners who plan. This verb is not seen as appropriate to the world of IT and isn't even all that much like what systems programmers do anyway. They could have invented some whole nother verb and what would y'all have done in the pule and micturate department about that? Would it help if it were pronounced with the emphasis on the second syllable in the manner of other noun/verb pairs? We could submit this proposal to the Acadamye of the Puriteye Propere of the Langage Inglisc if you'd like.


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