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#28475 05/06/01 10:37 PM
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Good one, Max!


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tsuwm fears running the risk of angryfying the anglo-saxon police,

Or, worse yet, angrifying the Speling Patrol.


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Dr Bill comments: As so often happens with technical terms, idiots get them backwards, and get into print.

I fail to see what being a private person has to do with anything.


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Wet and dry ullage be damned. As I responded privately to a query from Dr. Bill, my office dictionary (American College Dict.) defines ullage as: "1. the loss of wine or spirit from its container, caused by leakage or evaporation. 2. the amount of goods lost by passing through the sides of a bag." End citation -- there is no other definition given. The first of these is the accepted meaning for shipping and Customs purposes. The U.S. Customs regulations, Byzantine as they may be, do not expect anyone to pay for what he is not getting. Hence, in making an entry of wines or spirits in barrels, one may claim an allowance for ullage, since the rate of duty and taxes on imported wines and spirits is considerable, and there is always some ullage in barrels due to evaporation and, if the barrel is defective or damaged, to leakage.


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this is turning into a bit of a carriwitchet, but when you think about it, defining ullage as 2. the amount of goods lost by passing through the sides of a bag. involves--granted, in absentia--the measurement of the 'lost' wine itself, as evidenced by the space created in the vessel. it's kinda a 'glass half empty' conundrum, but if you buy into that theory, it would stand to reason that the dregs at the bottom of a glass of wine as it's whisked away from the table is indeed the ullage of that which should theoretically have arrived into the vessel of one's body.




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carriwitchet is a new one on me, but certainly we are getting positively metaphysical over what is, to me at least, a simple matter of a word to express the opposite of the contents of a container; i.e., the non-contents.

That brings me to this question for everyone: I am sure I have, somewhere, seen a word which is an antonym for ullage, but I can't think of it. Can anyone? Uncommon word, like nonage, the antonym of dotage.


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well, check out this "Shipyard Dictionary" under ullage
http://www.purgit.com/dictiona.html
but keep in mind that other sources give outage as the opposite of this.


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I am sure I have, somewhere, seen a word which is an antonym for ullage, but I can't think of it. Can anyone? Uncommon word, like nonage, the antonym of dotage.

Fullage?


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we wish. actually <ahem>, fullage once had something to do with the cost of cleaning cloth (fulling), but also is used for refuse (which might be a connection for that use of ullage!)


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I dunno. Sounds awful close to Trade Name violation. My lawyers will be talking to your lawyers, Ms AnnaStrophic, Pty.


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