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i ran across the word "argot" in an article on mcveigh this morning, and had to atomicize it. the context was "And the 19 children buried in smoldering debris? He called them “collateral damage” — military argot for civilian deaths in a military strike."
somehow i've never seen this word before... is it totally interchangeable with 'jargon'? and how do you all pronounce it: AR-goe or ARget?
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argot has the shading of 'secretive', or willful intent to obfuscate, in addition to 'insider'. both pronunciations are common, as it is americanized French.
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I think that to compact and to compactify are not synonymous.
If you compact something you will obtain something smaller.
There are a lot of ways to compactify a set A, and you usually obtain a new set bigger than the previous one . The biggest compactification is the so called Stone- Cech compactification.
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had to atomicize itand is this argot as well?  I couldn't find it the dictionary. Rod
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In reply to:
and is ["atomicize"] argot as well?
no, it's just my standard gibberish, akin to googling an unknown by using www.google.com; atomica is a tremendously useful one-click reference tool available at http://www.atomica.com. with Atomica installed, all you have to do is alt-click on any word you see on your screen, even in a java applet, and a small Atomica screen pops up with the word's definition, as well as thesaurus, antonym, weblink, and other capabilities.
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argot vs. jargon
My take is that argot starts off as slang and becomes a sort of private language amongst certain groups over a wide spectrum. Victor Hugo devoted a whole book to the subject in Les Misérables. The rhyming slang we have often seen discussed in AWAD is a kind of argot. That it is often used by criminals gets it into the secretive area noted.
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and a small Atomica screen pops up with the word's definition,.. verbed as "atomicize" Oh you mean "ATOMICAte" But real thanks for the link, looks very useful. Rod
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just go to prove the your average science buff has not one iota of imagination.C'mon belligerentyouth, now you're just being plain offensive.  I have plenty of imagination, and so do most scientists I know. Most of my scientist friends are great musicians and cooks, we love the outdoors, go out and drink beer together, discuss life, the universe, and everything, have conversations filled with bad science puns, lie on the grass and stare at the clouds, ride our bikes...And I can invent a perfectly good word when I need one, just like most people can (and do)! If you still think that all scientists are geeky-looking guys with pocket protectors and no social skills, you're living in a dream world. So don't insult all of us based on your outdated stereotype!
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> you still think that all scientists ...
Please note, I wrote 'your average science buff'. Bean, I'm interested in science too, o.k. I subscribe to Scientific American, I have spoken to physicists at length about CERN and I even read a book by S. Hawking. I'm sure your a stand-up, out-doorsy guy and that your pyhsics friends are likewise; therefore I herewith rescind my hasty comments based on my loathing of this science neologism, which, in many respects epitomises the struggle between old, and familiar language, and the perpetual spiral of formation as exemplified (hold me!) by this creation, which if accepted by peers may one day become standard language. Either way, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, particle physicist or not.
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In his weekly New York Times column "On Language" last Sunday, William Safire gives his specialist [sic] readers a chance to fulminate against the slings and arrows of outrageous usage. Serendipitous that it coincides chronologically with this thread - mere coincidence?  Herewith an example, on the misuse of "epicenter": >>The geophysicist Joseph D. Sides adds, "Writers should be advised that epi- no more intensifies the meaning of center than does pen- intensify the meaning of ultimate." .... Sides defines epicenter as "the point on the surface of the earth vertically above the center of an earthquake, the quake's 'hypocenter.' " It is also, he says, "the point on the earth's surface vertically below the atmospheric detonation of a bomb, the 'hypercenter' of the explosion." He finds "misuse of the offending term attributable to spurious erudition on the part of the writers combined with scientific illiteracy on the part of copy editors." << http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/06/magazine/06ONLANGUAGE.html* Read on for "organic," "quantum," "exponential" and more. --- *You need to register to access, but that takes but a mere minute.
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