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#2811 05/27/00 11:23 PM
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Yes, please, David!!
They get very disgusted when they want the computer
and I'm on it, or when I pull rank and make them
get off!
If they are doing actual work, I stand here tapping my
toe with impatience 'til they're done!


#2812 05/27/00 11:29 PM
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>>people whose universe is not ‘compucentric’. It is sort of refreshing.<<

Juanmaria (forget "Baby"!)--
Aughh--ghh!! The LAST thing I want to be is "refreshing"!!

(Still, though, if the shoe fits, I suppose I must wear it.)
Ok,ok, it's not YOUR fault that the truth hurts! You're
back on my good side, Juanie Baby. Ciao.






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>>'Scapegoat' that's the word I was looking for.<<

... and referring to another thread, "Nouns as Verbs", I heard the word 'scapegoat' used as a verb on a BBC discussion recently. The speaker said, '...they feel a deep-seated need to scapegoat", and later, "...this leads to scapegoating".

It seems as if the practise of morphing (another noun-as-verb?) is becoming widespread, and worse, acceptable.



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That's a shocker, I must say! "Goatscaping" would be a much better-sounding word, although not strictly in accordance with the rules of noun-verbing. Let's adopt it, eh?

Rgds, lusy


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"Scapegoating" has been used as a term for some time in Counselling circles - social sciences are always making up new terms. As a mathematician I always hated terms like "integration" and "differentiation" being bandied around. I've calmed down a little now.

So does Goatscaping rhyme with Netscaping?

Afterthought: I meant the new term to be the "ing" not the scapegoat bit


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> That's a shocker, I must say! "Goatscaping" would be a much better-sounding word, although not strictly in accordance
with the rules of noun-verbing. Let's adopt it, eh?

Scapegoat comes from Escape goat - the goat that was allow to escape into the wilderness with the sins of all attached to it. 'Goatscaping' certainly confuses this. We would have to classify it with all the other -scape words, too.

Whereas we used to landscape our gardens now we would also goatscape our mistakes or failures - oh, dear!


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>>Scapegoat comes from Escape goat - the goat that was allow to escape into the wilderness with the sins of all attached to it.<<
Rubrick, this is fascinating! Please tell more. Was this
some church ritual?


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>>Scapegoat comes from Escape goat - the goat that was allowed to escape into the wilderness with the sins of all attached to it.<<

Jackie - here are the Bible references you might like to read:

Leviticus 16:5-14
10 The goat chosen to be the scapegoat will be presented to the LORD alive. When it is sent away into the wilderness, it will make atonement for the people.

Leviticus 16:20-28
26 The man chosen to send the goat out into the wilderness as a scapegoat must wash his clothes and bathe in water. Then he may return to the camp.

This is from Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable:

Scapegoat The Biajůs or aborigenes of Borneo observe a custom bearing a considerable resemblance to that of the scapegoat. They annually launch a small bark laden with all the sins and misfortunes of the nation, which, says Dr. Leyden, “they imagine will fall on the unhappy crew that first meets with it.”
The scapegoat of the family. One made to bear the blame of the rest of the family; one always chidden and found fault with, let who may be in the wrong. The allusion is to a Jewish custom: Two goats being brought to the altar of the tabernacle on the Day of Atonement, the high priest cast lots; one was for the LORD, and the other for Azazel. The goat on which the first lot fell was sacrificed, the other was the scapegoat; and the high priest having, by confession, transferred his own sins and the sins of the people to it, the goat was taken to the wilderness and suffered to escape.



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David--thank you!!
I LOVE this Board! What an unexpected bonus I got!
I do have a question, though, about that word 'chidden':
how common is that? I very seldom hear anyone use any form
of the word 'chide', but I probably would have used
'chided' here, simply because I was unfamiliar w/ chidden.


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> David--thank you!!
I LOVE this Board! What an unexpected bonus I got!
I do have a question, though, about that word 'chidden':
how common is that? I very seldom hear anyone use any form
of the word 'chide', but I probably would have used
'chided' here, simply because I was unfamiliar w/ chidden.

Apologies, Jackie. I've been off-line but I see David was able to elaborate on the definition and history of 'scapegoat. I've never heard the word 'chidden'. I presume that it is quite archaic or regional dialect. I'll look it up sometime.


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