Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4
#21933 03/10/01 04:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
W
wwh Offline OP
Carpal Tunnel
OP Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
I can understand the annoyance with the word "cool" but let's hear some more about the concept. For instance, the tobacco ads all want young people to think smoking is "cool". Let's hear some analysis of how they convey this concept.


#21934 03/10/01 06:00 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
well, the most blatantly obvious is "Kool" brand cigs, supposedly so-named because of mentholation, but we know better.


#21935 03/10/01 06:02 PM
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,094
J
old hand
Offline
old hand
J
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,094
don't confuse the hippies with the beats; it was the latter who are associated with cool jazz.

au contraire, mein freund, the beatnik look with the beret and goatee was first popularized by Dizzy Gillespie, who was the big name in bebop, or hot jazz. Cool jazz didn't come around until Miles Davis, who didn't like playing music at break-neck speeds, formed a group and cut the album Birth of the Cool. Beatniks were originally worshippers of bebop, which is the exact opposite of cool jazz.


#21936 03/10/01 06:06 PM
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,094
J
old hand
Offline
old hand
J
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,094
For instance, the tobacco ads all want young people to think smoking is "cool". Let's hear some analysis of how they convey this concept.

They don't. It's illegal. The 1998 Tobacco Settlement outlawed cigarette advertizing on billboards, anywhere near schools or in magazines associated with children. They're also not allowed to use cartoon characters like that stupid camel anymore to market to children.


#21937 03/10/01 06:11 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Charlie Parker's "Cool Blues" anticipated Miles by about two years. it's all in the semantics: "1950 Christian Sci. Monitor 8 Feb. 15 Bop is ‘cool’ jazz in contrast to the ‘hot’ variety of the swing or Dixieland schools."


#21938 03/10/01 06:26 PM
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,094
J
old hand
Offline
old hand
J
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,094
Charlie Parker's "Cool Blues" anticipated Miles by about two years.

But what Charlie Parker played is by no means considered Cool Jazz according to the definition of the genre.


#21939 03/10/01 06:45 PM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,439
W
wow Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,439
Cool Jazz according to the definition of the genre.

OK, JazzO, while your toiling away at your studies (ahem!) could you LIU and give the definition of cool jazz versus hot jazz as genres?
wow


#21940 03/10/01 07:01 PM
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,094
J
old hand
Offline
old hand
J
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,094
OK, JazzO, while your toiling away at your studies (ahem!) could you LIU and give the definition of cool jazz versus hot jazz as genres?

Well, hot jazz (Bebop) is the fast-paced, fit-in-as-many-notes-as-possible-in-the-shortest-amount-of-time music. Most people don't like bebop because it's just kind of hard to listen to. Swing fans were appalled by bebop.
"Bebop has set music back twenty years" - Tommy Dorsey
"That's got nothing to do with jazz. That's Chinese music" - Louis Armstrong

Cool jazz came as a direct opposite to bebop because Miles Davis knew that he couldn't continue to try to play "faster, higher and hotter". He originally played with Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie but just couldn't keep up so he started using a much slower, more melodic style. The Birth of the Cool "was an ethereal, drifting music that used French horns, complex arrangements and delicately woven solos." Miles decided that he would play "lower, slower and cooler" than anyone else.

Is that sufficient?

(Quotes from Jazz for Beginners by Ron David)

And what do you mean by "studies (ahem!)"? It's Saturday.


#21941 03/10/01 07:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
W
wwh Offline OP
Carpal Tunnel
OP Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
One last time. Suppose an extra-terrestrial joined this board, how would you define cool to him?


#21942 03/10/01 07:49 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
jazzo, (who's living up to his nom de guerre) I can agree with you that cool jazz to most musicians and students denotes the understated, behind-the-beat style typified by the arrangements and soloists on the Davis records. but the keyword (as always) is "most". the Bird thought his Blues were Cool. me too.


Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Jackie 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Statistics
Forums16
Topics13,913
Posts229,353
Members9,182
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
Newest Members
Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV
9,182 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 524 guests, and 0 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
Top Posters
wwh 13,858
Faldage 13,803
Jackie 11,613
wofahulicodoc 10,550
tsuwm 10,542
LukeJavan8 9,918
AnnaStrophic 6,511
Wordwind 6,296
of troy 5,400
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 1994-2024 Wordsmith

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5