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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 6 of 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Re: Determinism [Re: Faldage] #209632 02/19/13 03:00 PM 02/19/13 03:00 PM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny   veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi Originally Posted By: Faldage I ain't sayin' nothin' no mo'. Thank you, Faldage. A lesser man would not have made an announcement. Back to Determinism: Each person if honest can prove to himself that he (or she) is a robot by simple introspection. Sex, food and drink are biological directives not options. The experincing organism -meaning you- perceives the lack of these biological imperatives as displeasure and their realization as pleasure. We all know this but pretend that we are in charge. Re: Determinism [Re: zmjezhd] #209640 02/19/13 06:23 PM 02/19/13 06:23 PM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny   veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi Originally Posted By: zmjezhd So, before the big bang there was something??? So, think some cosmologists. There are theories of multiple big bangs. Multiple universes, too. Not everybody agrees. I agree, zmjezhd. Cosmologies are suspect because there are so many of them. Oscillating and multiverse constructs seem rooted in mumbo-jumbo math otherwise someone would outshine Einstein. Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny] #209644 02/19/13 08:47 PM 02/19/13 08:47 PM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague 5) Nothing can't beget something. Even nothing is something, we cannot imagine 'nothing' nor the end of ends. Re: Determinism [Re: BranShea] #209646 02/19/13 11:03 PM 02/19/13 11:03 PM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny   veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi Originally Posted By: BranShea 5) Nothing can't beget something. Even nothing is something, we cannot imagine 'nothing' nor the end of ends. BranShe, you agree and disagree with me in the same post, and strangely I end up agreeing with both. Re: fatalism [Re: jenny jenny] #209662 02/20/13 02:07 PM 02/20/13 02:07 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh Oscillating and multiverse constructs seem rooted in mumbo-jumbo math otherwise someone would outshine Einstein. Not sure that "mumbo-jumbo math" has a meaning that I can glean. Math is math. Non-Euclidean geometry is still math. I'm not sure that, say, the math behind figuring out the speed of a falling object explains anything about objects or gravity, but it works and can be used for something. I'll take string theory and multiverse cosmologies over the bearded guy in the sky explanation. If nothing they are more aesthetically pleasing. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny] #209666 02/20/13 06:01 PM 02/20/13 06:01 PM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague Originally Posted By: jenny jenny Originally Posted By: BranShea 5) Nothing can't beget something. Even nothing is something, we cannot imagine 'nothing' nor the end of ends. BranShe, you agree and disagree with me in the same post, and strangely I end up agreeing with both. Then could you agree with me that nothing can beget something? ( which contradicts your fifth amendment?) Re: Determinism [Re: BranShea] #209686 02/21/13 02:11 PM 02/21/13 02:11 PM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny   veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi Originally Posted By: BranShea Originally Posted By: jenny jenny Originally Posted By: BranShea 5) Nothing can't beget something. Even nothing is something, we cannot imagine 'nothing' nor the end of ends. BranShe, you agree and disagree with me in the same post, and strangely I end up agreeing with both. Then could you agree with me that nothing can beget something? ( which contradicts your fifth amendment?) Now BranShea (may I call you BS?) you tease me - you well know that all "nothings" are not the same. e.g. Nothing can become something and nothing can become something are yin and yang - exact opposites. A good ear connected to a good mind will understand this. Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny] #209687 02/21/13 02:49 PM 02/21/13 02:49 PM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague I confess. Just teasing (bad habit). It was too tempting and not seriously taken I hope. BC 's fine. Re: fatalism [Re: zmjezhd] #209696 02/21/13 07:38 PM 02/21/13 07:38 PM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny   veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi Originally Posted By: zmjezhd Not sure that "mumbo-jumbo math" has a meaning that I can glean. Math is math. Non-Euclidean geometry is still math. I'm not sure that, say, the math behind figuring out the speed of a falling object explains anything about objects or gravity, but it works and can be used for something. I'll take string theory and multiverse cosmologies over the bearded guy in the sky explanation. If nothing they are more aesthetically pleasing. Yes, zmjezhd, I agree, like language math has a function. Yet math, like language, is fuzzy in outline mainly because in our Universe there are no two identical entities to add...or subtract...or muliply, even if that difference is only its unique position in time/space. And I know of no religion that believes God is a bearded or not bearded guy sitting or standing in a sky or not sky Heaven. Except symbolically. Determinism pt, 2 The secret sharer [Re: jenny jenny] #209702 02/22/13 03:59 AM 02/22/13 03:59 AM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny   veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi Since the Faldage saw fit to recuse himself from this ad hoc court I will hereby give the high points of the book he just read but refuses to review. I list the salient points below. 1) When driving and texting or listening to a ball game or just deep thinking; who is doing the driving? 2) A name you couldn't remember suddenly pops into your head. How? 3) Who is dreaming when you dream? The answer is your undermind. You, your ego, your operating clichés, etc. are merely servo- mechanisms for the real you - your subconscious mind. He, not you, is driving. Page 6 of 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. 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