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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 3 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Re: Cultural values [Re: LukeJavan8] #208707 01/04/13 01:37 PM 01/04/13 01:37 PM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague Originally Posted By: LukeJavan8 Crows have been known to drop rocks on nuts to crack them. Wich made me think: A man domesticates a crow to be his nut-cracker, that's culture. A crow who uses a nut-cracker to crack nuts is a cultured crow. Hypothetically. Re: Cultural values [Re: LukeJavan8] #208708 01/04/13 01:37 PM 01/04/13 01:37 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Originally Posted By: LukeJavan8 Crows have been known to drop rocks on nuts to crack them. Crows have been known to put nuts under the wheels of cars stopped for red lights to crack them. Re: Cultural values [Re: maverick] #208710 01/04/13 02:40 PM 01/04/13 02:40 PM Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,075 Lancaster, UK Rhubarb Commando old hand Rhubarb Commando   old hand Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,075 Lancaster, UK I'm a bit late joining this debate - sorry, looking the other way1 FWIW - I go along with Branny and Jackie to a great extent, but would add that the word "culture" has become broadened over the years since Matthew Arnold started the debate in 1867 (Culture and Anarchy Cirnhill Magazine) It has become very contexturalised and can mean very different things to different people on different occasions. Which, I think, is very similar to Jackie's point. Last edited by Rhubarb Commando; 01/04/13 02:40 PM. Reason: typo I'm immortal until proven otherwise Re: Cultural values [Re: Rhubarb Commando] #208712 01/04/13 04:52 PM 01/04/13 04:52 PM Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi J jenny jenny veteran jenny jenny   veteran J Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,554 Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi One could define "Culture" as a learned responce, as opposed to a genetic responce, to situational conditions, except (at last, my chance to name-drop) E.O. Wilson would disagree. I chatted with "Ed" twice last year and both times he opined that collective ant behavior could best be described as ant Culture. Re: Cultural values [Re: maverick] #208719 01/04/13 07:50 PM 01/04/13 07:50 PM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague The ant master of the world chooses his words with care: ' that collective ant behavior could best be described as ant Culture.' He did not say 'ís ant Culture'. Till now we focussed on the sociological and anthropological part only. Culture certainly had become a very stretchable word. As Jackie mentioned: each one his own culture, his own value in spite of the general similarities? To Mavericks original question I still have no answer. 'What does the word culture mean to you?' All I can say is: "a lot" (which isn't much) Re: Cultural values [Re: Buffalo Shrdlu] #208721 01/04/13 08:00 PM 01/04/13 08:00 PM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague :¬ ) The cake is back too! As for the Alt and lowercase L I just took the easy road : 'beg, steal or borrow' :¬ ) Happy birthday! Re: Cultural values [Re: maverick] #208722 01/04/13 08:05 PM 01/04/13 08:05 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh I often think of cognates and other etymologically-related words when asked to define a term or word. Latin cultus 'worship' is rather neutral WRT connotations, but English cult is pejorative and getting more pejus all the time. Cultus is the past passive participle of Latin colo, colere. 'to care for (someone or something); tend, till'. Thus agriculture (caring for fields) and horticulture (caring for gardens). I think of culture, in its modern meaning, as the sum total of knowledge things produced by an ethnos, folk, or some other societal group. I don't think of language as culture, but a vehicle for it. (Oh, well; not very original or deep.) Ceci n'est pas un seing. Re: Cultural values [Re: BranShea] #208723 01/04/13 08:40 PM 01/04/13 08:40 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Originally Posted By: BranShea :¬ ) The cake is back too! Happy birthday! Thank you!! formerly known as etaoin... Re: Cultural values [Re: Buffalo Shrdlu] #208725 01/04/13 09:03 PM 01/04/13 09:03 PM Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,075 Lancaster, UK Rhubarb Commando old hand Rhubarb Commando   old hand Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,075 Lancaster, UK Yes, indeed, eta - Many Happies - have a R ight G ood day.. I shall raise a pint glas s to you ths evening. I'm immortal until proven otherwise Re: Cultural values [Re: Rhubarb Commando] #208726 01/05/13 12:34 AM 01/05/13 12:34 AM Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,157 Land of the Flat Water LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel LukeJavan8   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,157 Land of the Flat Water Likewise, best for your next year. ----please, draw me a sheep---- Page 3 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. 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