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#205203 03/20/12 01:02 PM
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Please don't forget it's here again.
Spring for the jumping up of root, leaves and flowers.
Lent for the lenghtening of days. Just a bit of new life coming up.


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" EARTH LAUGHS IN FLOWERS "

- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Festina lente!

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A beautiful video, Bran! Thank you.

I have yet to see my first wild primroses (although there are some out in gardens) but I had a tub full of the tiny tete-a-tete daffodils out before Yuletide and now have grape hyacinths blooming.


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Festina lente

Oxymoron Festina lente

Spring was one day early this year. March 20. And at last we got SUNshine!
Nice colorful Emerson quote jenny jenny.
Grape hyacinths must be what we call blue grapes.
I think Rhubarb, I've got one little (what do you call it? bush, spot, cluster, plot? ) of them too.

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Thanks for the video. It snowed here a bit yesterday, and we still have a couple of feet of snow in the yard, but spring sunshine today. Just a few more weeks!

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Then again...

I prefer winter and fall, when you feel the bone structure of the landscape - the loneliness of it, the dead feeling of winter. Something waits beneath it, the whole story doesn't show.

- Andrew Wyeth

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Wyeth, real a good painter who worked mainly in monochrome hues. He may have liked T.S. Eliot's lines on this:
APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers
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(But it's not April yet smile )

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Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote
The droht of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed everye veyne in swich licour
Of which engend'red is the flour,
And Zephyrus eke with his sweete brethe
inspired hath in ev'ry holt and hethe
The tendre croppes. And the sonne hath in the Ram
his half-course y-runne...

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I want to give this try without Dict.

Wish that April with his sweet showers
Had pierced (or dispercer) the draught of March to the root
And bathed every vine in such 'liquour'
Of which ( something like pollination? )
And Zephyrus working with his sweet breath
Had inspired in every wood and heath
The tender crops. And the sun in the sign of the ram
would have run half his course....

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Pretty good.

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At the first English lesson in highschool our teacher started with this sentence, which is considered the oldest found fragment of Dutch text, though people disagree. (also by some considered Old English)
I always kept comparing the various languages after that, though I never really studied the subject.

"The complete text, a probatio pennae or " scribble" by a monk to try out his pen, is usually transcribed as Hebban olla vogala nestas hagunnan hinase hic enda thu wat unbidan we nu. This is a word-for-word translation of the Latin sentence written directly above it: Abent[3] omnes uolucres nidos inceptos nisi ego et tu quid expectamus nu(nc). It is roughly translated as: "Have all birds begun nests, except me and you - what are we waiting for?" (Modern Dutch: Zijn (hebben)alle vogels nesten begonnen, behalve ik en jij? Waarop wachten we nu?)"

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[H]abent omnes uolucres nidos inceptos nisi ego et tu quid expectamus nu[nc].

Interesting. I had not seen these texts before. The Latin has volucer 'flying' where Old West Dutch has vogala 'bird'. Possibly from the similarity between the words.


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Some ten years ago i've seen the old text fragment for real in an exhibition in the Nieuwe Kerk in Amsterdam. I forgot the context in which this was one of the shown items. But is was a sort of marvel to look at.

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Why might that be considered Old English?

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If you read the article you see that there are various theories.
But f.i. the word unbidan (waiting), wich reminds of abiding comes close to Old English. It was my English teacher who came up with this likeness, not my teacher Dutch.

abide
O.E. abidan, gebidan "remain, wait, delay, remain behind," from ge- completive prefix (denoting onward motion; see a- (1)) + bidan "bide, remain, wait, dwell" (see bide). Originally intransitive (with genitive of the object: we abidon his "we waited for him"); transitive sense emerged in M.E. Meaning "to put up with" (now usually negative) first recorded 1520s. The historical conjugation is abide, abode, abidden, but the modern formation is now generally weak.

Also the likeness of hagunnan (begin) to beginnan and onginnan is strong.

begin (v.)
O.E. beginnan "to begin, attempt, undertake," a rare word beside the more usual form onginnan (class III strong verb; past tense ongann, pp. ongunnen); from bi- (see be-) + W.Gmc. *ginnan, of obscure meaning and found only in compounds, perhaps "to open, open up" (cf. O.H.G. in-ginnan "to cut open, open up," also "begin, undertake"), with sense evolution from "open" to "begin." Cognates elsewhere in Germanic include O.Fris. biginna "to begin," M.Du. beghinnen, O.H.G. beginnan, Ger. beginnen, O.Fris. bijenna "to begin," Goth. duginnan.

The fragment was discovered in 1932 on the flyleaf of a manuscript that was probably made in the abbey of Rochester, Kent and is kept in Oxford. Some think it is a coastal dialect or Old Kentish (article)

Hebban related to O.E. habban "to hold, posess." ???


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But the seasons haven't changed. March. Two weeks and more of clear sunshine and bone dry weather. Like last year and many years before.

Originally Posted By: Faldage
Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote
The droht of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed everye veyne in swich licour
Of which engend'red is the flour,
And Zephyrus eke with his sweete brethe
inspired hath in ev'ry holt and hethe
The tendre croppes. And the sonne hath in the Ram
his half-course y-runne...

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