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#196932 - 02/03/11 09:46 AM Lewis Carroll anagram  
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Some say that the anagram 'eleven plus two = twelve plus one" is due to Lewis Carroll. Can anyone supply the exact reference, please?

#196934 - 02/03/11 12:11 PM Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: zeroid]  
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I've learned one interesting thing. An anagram of this sort, where the anagram and the original are identical in meaning, is called an anugram(!). I couldn't find anything to suggest that this particular anugram is due to either Lewis Carroll or Charles Dodgson.

#196938 - 02/03/11 02:43 PM eleven plus two.. [Re: Faldage]  
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okay, this is widely quoted as an example of an 'anugram' (and I note that Anu glosses it in his anagrams odds & ends with not so much as a hint of explanation or even a smirk). but, while not having done any extended research, I didn't note any *other examples.

#196939 - 02/03/11 03:13 PM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm]  
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here are some "clever" anagrams, some of which may be true:
clever? true??

the comments to this list include claims for origin/dates, and one such claim is this:
Eleven plus two =
Twelve plus one.
Melvin O. Wellman, 1948

here's some support for the Wellman claim:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-118185171.html

anyone care to verify the following?
To be or not to be: that is the question, whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. = In one of the Bardís best-thought-of tragedies, our insistent hero, Hamlet, queries on two fronts about how life turns rotten.

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#196956 - 02/03/11 09:02 PM Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: Faldage]  
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Is called an 'anugram' by whom? Not me, and I think I'm entitled to an opinion. The following two Spanish anagrams are my own: uno + catorce = cuatro + once (1 + 14 = 4 + 11) and dos + trece = tres + doce (2 + 13 = 3 + 12)[first pub. in Word Ways, Feb 1992, Vol 25, No 1]. But I would still like to know who is responsible for two + eleven = one + twelve.

#196957 - 02/03/11 09:07 PM Re: Lewis Carroll anagram [Re: zeroid]  
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one is left to assume, then, that you don't buy Wellman?!

#196958 - 02/03/11 09:52 PM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm]  
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anyone care to verify the following?

its all here tsuwm = Hamlets wit rules

#196961 - 02/04/11 02:06 AM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: olly]  
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OMG! OLLY!
You are WONderful, sir! Hands down winnah and hats off to you!

#196980 - 02/04/11 10:45 AM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: tsuwm]  
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Okay Joe, many thanks for the link.

#197007 - 02/05/11 03:27 AM Re: eleven plus two.. [Re: zeroid]  
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minimalist anugram:

YEA = AYE

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