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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 5 of 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 … 17 18 Go to page... #195073 - 12/16/10 01:43 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: RonDavis]   Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 5 LadyReader stranger LadyReader   stranger Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 5 Today's quote, "Like a horny sightless woman on a blind date, she begins to knead her heavy friendship-ring-laden fingers into my face. 'Leptorrhine nose ... kumquat-headed ...'", contains a pleonasm. #195084 - 12/16/10 05:25 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: LadyReader]   Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,935 LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel LukeJavan8   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,935 Land of the Flat Water WELCOME, LADYREADER ----please, draw me a sheep---- #195087 - 12/16/10 08:27 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: LadyReader]   Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 olly old hand olly   old hand Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 Auckland, New Zealand Well spotted #195100 - 12/17/10 02:46 AM Re: Pleonasm [Re: olly]   Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Originally Posted By: olly Well spotted Dunno. Leptorhine is an adjective and lepto- is a combining form. You can't really say "Like a horny sightless woman on a blind date, she begins to knead her heavy friendship-ring-laden fingers into my face. 'Leptorrhine ... kumquat-headed ...'" or "... friendship-ring-laden fingers into my face. 'Lepto nose ... kumquat-headed ...'" As for instances of ATM without the machine or PIN without the number, sure you'll run into those in the wild. They don't make ATM machine or PIN number wrong even if context makes it clear what you're talking about without the machine or number. Even with context there can be confusion. Teller at the bank, helping a confused customer with his ATM card: "Do you have your PIN?" Customer: "Yes ma'am. Rat cheer in mah pocket. It's a BIC." #195102 - 12/17/10 04:42 AM Re: Pleonasm [Re: Faldage]   Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Jackie Jackie   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Rat Ahem. That should be raht. Rat is pronounced ray-ut. #195108 - 12/17/10 11:09 AM Re: Pleonasm [Re: Jackie]   Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 I'm spelling using SWE conventions. If I'd meant it to be pronounced ray-ut I'd've spelled it ray-ut. #195112 - 12/17/10 02:54 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: Faldage]   Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass and if I'd've meant PIN to be pronounced 'pen'.. well, I didn't, because it's just not, here. #195119 - 12/18/10 12:55 AM Re: Pleonasm [Re: RonDavis]   Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 The argument that there's other ways of saying it without confusion so the way you're saying it is wrong is a non-starter. There's always other ways of saying it. #195128 - 12/18/10 02:22 PM Re: grammaticasters of the whirled peace untie [Re: RonDavis]   Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh Nobody has said yet what exactly is wrong with redundancy. It seems useful to me. Sometimes its inflectional concord between words (which is a requirement of some languages and its absence would signal a grammatical error); sometimes it's for rhetorical effect (and we're all for that where and when appropriate); sometimes it's to avoid ambiguity (which seems a good thing, too); and sometimes it's something which annoys a select group of speakers (who usually seem wrong about other aspects of language, so I'd say it's something to do with them and not the language).. Ceci n'est pas un seing. #195133 - 12/19/10 02:34 AM Re: grammaticasters of the whirled peace untie [Re: zmjezhd]   Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 This subject came up in the context of pilotless drones back almost 4 years ago on Language Log. They do a pretty good job of discussing the nature of modification. Page 5 of 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 … 17 18 Go to page... 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