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DBerman #192986 09/07/10 12:37 PM
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My understanding (completely self-generated, but based on some knowledge of basic computer programming) is that the routine that handles the input is looking for four digits and if it doesn't get them it's not going to work.

Which seems wrong to me. The fact that you are holding down a modifier key (the Alt key in this case) should be all that is necessary. Leading zeros add nothing to the mix. 70, 070, 0070 are all 70.

Of course, tsuwm's point is well-taken. 0177 does look a lot like octal. In my original posting to the thread about the Unicode value, I prepended a 0x to the number indicating it was hexadecimal.


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Well, does it work without the leading zero?

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I'd guess not, but that wasn't my point, was it?!

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From my (possibly unfeminist) perspective, I can imagine a man being a "boorish charmer" but not a woman. women can often be attracted to someone who is a "rascal, scoundrel, raffish, devil-may-care, heartless" , all negative terms in some sense, but which imply a disrespect for convention and therefore an exciting sense of danger and adventure. "Boorish" has connotations of bad manners and rough conduct, but combined with "charmer" moves into the category of DELIBERATE intent to impress, therefore implying that the boorishness is a superficial affectation rather than an innate quality.

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Originally Posted By: tsuwm
I'd guess not, but that wasn't my point, was it?!


Well, I dunno. We were talking about how to get the ± character.

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OK. I tried it on my work Windows machine and ALT-177 worked but it didn't give me ±. It gave me ▒. I put the two characters in a txt file and did a hex dump and got this:

Code:
00000000  ff fe b1 00 0d 00 0a 00  92 25              |.........%|
0000000a


The txt file was

±

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I put the two characters in a txt file and did a hex dump

Hmm.

1. What program did you use to create the text file on the Windows machine?
2. How did you transfer the text file to the Linux machine?

ff fe b1 00 0d 00 0a 00 92 25

Allowing for the little-endian-ness of Windows (and Linux) reordering of bytes:

0xFFFE : magic number for UTF-8
0x00B1 : decimal 177 for ±
0x000D : decimal 13 for CR (carriage return)
0x000A : decimal 10 for LF (linefeed)
0x2592 : decimal 9618 for Medium Shade ▒

According to this page, you can get it in Windows by typing Alt-2592 or Alt-177. Go figure.


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on a mac, it's shift-option =

or I suppose it's option +

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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
I put the two characters in a txt file and did a hex dump

Hmm.

1. What program did you use to create the text file on the Windows machine?
2. How did you transfer the text file to the Linux machine?

ff fe b1 00 0d 00 0a 00 92 25

Allowing for the little-endian-ness of Windows (and Linux) reordering of bytes:

0xFFFE : magic number for UTF-8
0x00B1 : decimal 177 for ±
0x000D : decimal 13 for CR (carriage return)
0x000A : decimal 10 for LF (linefeed)
0x2592 : decimal 9618 for Medium Shade ▒

According to this page, you can get it in Windows by typing Alt-2592 or Alt-177. Go figure.


I did the original file (177.txt) in NotePad and transfered it to my home box with a flash drive. I did the hex dump with hexdump -C 177.txt.

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