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You dont pronounce smuk and slemazel, do you?

I pronounce them /'ʃmʌk/ and /ʃlɪ'mɑzəl/. (See the chart for the mapping of IPA to English dialect sounds for a key to my pronunciation.)


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Originally Posted By: BranShea
They do,they do. You dont pronounce smuk and slemazel, do you?


No, they don't. Whether you say /smʌk/ or /ʃmʌk/, the word begins with 2 consonants either way.

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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
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This is a standard expletive in Hindi (and possibly other Indo-Aryan languages).


Hindi चोदना codanā "to have sexual intercourse with (of a man)"

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Originally Posted By: goofy

No, they don't. Whether you say /smʌk/ or /ʃmʌk/, the word begins with 2 consonants either way.


Schl.Schm. Don't know what you call these, we call all four of them consonants.

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they appear to be talking sounds, just like they do when they talk about multiple vowels strung together as one dipthongish vowel.
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Don't know what you call these, we call all four of them consonants.

goofy is making a distinction between the actual sounds (phonemes) of English and their written representation. Some languages go for a one-to-correspondence between these two things, and others go for a many-to-one or one-to-many.

For example, the single sound represented by the IPA symbol /ʃ/ is normally written in English as {sh} and in German as {sch}, but Czech gets away with a single letter {š}. IPA ʒ can be a single symbol as in English garage or French je 'I', but two in Hungarian {zs]as in rozsa 'rose'. OTOH, IPA /ju/, which are two sounds, is a single letter in English human.


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Originally Posted By: BranShea
Schl.Schm. Don't know what you call these, we call all four of them consonants.


So you're complaining about the spelling. So spell them shl and shm - problem solved.

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Originally Posted By: goofy
Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
chode

This is a standard expletive in Hindi (and possibly other Indo-Aryan languages).


Hindi चोदना codanā "to have sexual intercourse with (of a man)"



Interesting. It deals with feces and excrement among the young
people I know. Different strokes for different folks.


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No complaints at all; its just slightly growing over my head.
Anyway @stuwm : I think the cleverest thing on earth is (to know what you don't know). How do you do that?

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just like in real estate, it's all about location - hanging around with linguists, I know that I don't know beans about linguistics.

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