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zmjezhd #187395 10/21/09 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
"ka" for a genitive suffix

I've always been curious about the origin of -ka, -ke, -ki, which are clitics (or postpositions) that are declined to agree in number and gender with the possessed noun (phrase). I took a look round,


Where? My dictionairs don't have this sort of detailed etymology.
On the subject of possessives, I always enjoy the pairing of का with ए in shers. As in this example:
अंजाम-ए-वफ़ाई (The) result of (my) faithfulness
उल्फ़त के मुक़द्दमे trial of love

the first structure is from persian and reads as the English "result of faithfulness" with ए meaning "of"
The second could literally be translated "love's trial" with the के equivalent to the English 's. I used to feel a little sorry that Urdu is being squeezed out of Indian life but I have recently learned that Urdu is doing the same to Panjabi even in the heartland of the Pakistani Panjab, Lahore.

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Where?

In Yamuna Kachru (2006) Hindi.


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Where?

In Yamuna Kachru (2006) Hindi.


Thank you.

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Yes, Romans spoke Latin. But he studies and chronicles all that
has come from the Roman Empire, e.g. Romania. Romani, etc.
any word that might have a history there.


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But he studies and chronicles all that
has come from the Roman Empire, e.g. Romania. Romani, etc.
any word that might have a history there.


The Roma were called Gypsies because of some identification of the people with Egypt. They were also called Zigauner (in German), Gitane (in French), and . The etymology of the ethnonym Romani and Roma is usually given as from rom 'man, husband'. (As for the Romans, they believed in a folk etymology for the city of Roma from Latin ruma 'teat' linked with their origin myth of the divine twins Romulus and Remus who were suckled by a she-wolf. (A comparable etymology might link the Roma with the Romans because the former were roamin' all over Europe.) The last time the ancestors of the Romans and the Indians lived in proximity was in the steppes of central Asia.


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Yes, I know this.


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Yes, I know this.

Then, I guess I simply don't understand what you're getting at.


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Lots of avenues crossing here. I got lost in Greece first and then in Rome and India Wales and now I look for the relevance of asperagus. I like the word 'sparrow's grass', but it's sort of a bumpy thread.

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I got lost in Greece first and then in Rome and India Wales

It gets even more confusing, BranShea. In the Pm, which LukeJavan8 refers to, we've been discussing amongst other things, the Aromanians (part of a larger group known as Vlachs) of the Balkan states and Greece. They speak a Romance language very close to Romanian, but without a large Slavic influence. There's another group of interest, which are called Romaniotes. They are another branch of European Judaism (less well known than the Sephardi and Ashkenazi). They speak (or spoke) a kind of Judeo-Greek, known as Yevanic. All these people got their names from the placename Rome in Italy. The Romani got their name from an unrelated word rom in their Indic language. It means 'man' or 'husband'.

Sparrow's grass for asparagus is my favorite folk etymology.


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