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But an educated speaker is expected to keep his pronouns in line. Here, then, is a tip, Mr. President. Nobody chooses the wrong pronoun when it’s standing on its own. If you’re tempted to say “for Michelle and I” in tonight’s speech, just mentally omit Michelle (sorry, Mrs. Obama), and you’ll get it right. And no one will get on your case. A) The tip is hard to apply when it's "correcting" between Michelle and I. Between me makes no sense whatsoever. 2) I hear this "error" more from the educated than from the uneducated.
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"The King and I". It just sounds classier, more educated. It's a difference in style. The Queen and I had tea one day, and many others too  .
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... The tip is hard to apply when it's "correcting" between Michelle and I. Between me makes no sense whatsoever.
Neither does between I.
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The KING AND ME. Doesn't do it for me.
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[skronk]! The Queen and I had tea is correct. "Tea was given to the Queen and I" would not be. "The King and I" seems much more correct than "The King and Me" would be, given that there's no antecedent. Therefore there's a natural expectation that something-or-other is to follow: the King & I did this, or were this, etc. [going out on a limb e]
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Or either, "this story is about the King and I."
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Most of these things that "sound right to me" sound right because that's the way we're used to hearing them. If Anna and the King of Siam had been played and movied to The King and Me everyone would be saying that was what sounded right.
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"this story is about the King and I." ??? 
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"this story is about the King and I." ??? Just a suggestion for why The King and Me might work. And I stand by my observation that if The King and Me had been the title all along those of y'all who have been saying that The King and I sounds right and The King and Me doesn't would be arguing out of the other side of y'all's sense of linguistic propriety. I've never heard anyone complaining about the Robert Lawson children's classic, Ben and Me. Note, too that he wrote a book called Mr. Revere and I. You get the some sort of argument from folks who insist on retaining the moribund whom by appealing to the title of the Hemingway work, For Whom the Bell Tolls.
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I've never heard anyone complaining about the Robert Lawson children's classic, Ben and Me. Note, too that he wrote a book called Mr. Revere and I.
That's because Ben is just Ben (and me) and we are pals, and Mr. Revere is a man of some reverence and I owe him the respect of being an I.
The King and me would not work. I stand by this observation.
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folks who insist on retaining the moribund whom by appealing to the title of the Hemingway work, For Whom the Bell Tolls. I agree that whom is moribund. Maybe Hemingway's title was a simple statement of that fact?
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Maybe Hemingway's title was a simple statement of that fact? Hemingway's title was from John Donne's Meditation XVII, written in an era when whom was not moribund.
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Maybe Hemingway's title was a simple statement of that fact? Hemingway's title was from John Donne's Meditation XVII, written in an era when whom was not moribund. Sorry for atempting to make a joke.
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Apologies for a good one, Latishya? I hope you are not serious.
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Siam (Thailand) still has a king, and he is highly revered.
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Apologies for a good one, Latishya? I hope you are not serious. My apology was to Faldage whose reply indicates that he (or she) read my post as serious.
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I guess I still don't understand how it was a joke. But then my sense of humor took a serious hit when I realized the René Descartes walked in to a bar joke relied on a logical fallacy.
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the René Descartes walked in to a bar joke Is that the one where he walks in in front of his horse? Anna, it's nice to see your fonts again. 
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>the René Descartes walked in to a bar joke
more likely the one where the bartender asks if he wants a drink, he says, "I think not", and disappears.
-joe (yet another philosophy joke) friday
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 But I'm deeply disappointed with Faldage not being able to show some appreciation for 'for whom the bell tolls'. You don't need to call it a joke, but it is an amusing observation.
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>the René Descartes walked in to a bar joke
more likely the one where the bartender asks if he wants a drink, he says, "I think not", and disappears.
-joe (yet another philosophy joke) friday I always wondered the coordinates of the drunken fart's last engagement.
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perforce, lyrics to The Philosopher's Drinking Song :
Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table. ..
David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach 'ya 'bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.
John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, after half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away, half a crate of whiskey every day!
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
And Hobbes was fond of his Dram.
And René Descartes was a drunken fart:
"I drink, therefore I am."
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
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Would they not posthumeously take this as a sort of an insult? All of their drunken spirits will haunt me in my dreams. Because I LAUGHED.
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But I'm deeply disappointed with Faldage not being able to show some appreciation for 'for whom the bell tolls'. You don't need to call it a joke, but it is an amusing observation. I am, too, and he's my husband. 
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I am, too, and he's my husband. Good to know. I was wondering whether (and hoping) you'll were still together.
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I've been wondering: is this Avy* from long ago and far away?!
*last posted ca. 2005
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Ooh, I HOPE so!!! Dearest One, are you back with us?
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zowie! looking back at some old Avy threads bring back lots of names.
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Aaah, the wisdom of the elders.
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BTW, I finally got what Latishya was getting at. It is pretty good.
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It's been that long? Actually yeah... 3-4 years ago I fell off the truck... bump! Ouch! Hi tsu, Hi jackie, Hi eta, Hi fal Saab, Hi ana. Great to be amongst old friends.
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Welcome back! 
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Welcome back. Have the letters in your handle been breeding?
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Be nice, if a handle gains a little around the middle in 3 or 4 years it is more polite to just pretend you don't notice.
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Have the letters in your handle been breeding? So--now she has...wait for it...love handles!
YAYY, I'm so glad to see you here again!!!
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Or either, "this story is about the King and I."
1. *I read The King and Me yesterday.
2. I read The King and I yesterday.
Reminds me of not declining hoi polloi when used as a direct or indirect object.
I have always thought that the usage between Mary and I was simple hypercorrection. It is different from "Me and Mary went downtown last night."
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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Or either, "this story is about the King and I."
1. *I read The King and Me yesterday.
2. I read The King and I yesterday.
Reminds me of not declining hoi polloi when used as a direct or indirect object. My comment was in response to a rationale for the title, not about its proper use in a grammatically correct English sentence.
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My comment was in response to a rationale for the title, not about its proper use in a grammatically correct English sentence.
And mine was simply a musing of mine own.
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Speaking of which. I know that proper names are declined in Russian but are book or movie titles declined, too?
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I know that proper names are declined in Russian but are book or movie titles declined, too?
Good question, I'll have to ask one of my KGB informants ...
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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one of my KGB informants ... I'm an OGPU man myself. Okefenokee Glee and Perloo Union
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you both could be gulagged for lack of resp... <ack>
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Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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I know that proper names are declined in Russian but are book or movie titles declined, too?
Yes, they are.
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