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In the case of the mother of the bride and the mother of the husband the only common blood relatives would be the children of the husband and wife. This would be the MoB and MoH's grandchildren, so I'm sticking with cousin-in-law.
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Cousins have common ancestors not common descendents.
"In-law" means by marriage, not by birth. What are they if the couple never have children?
What is your cousin's spouse if not your cousin-in-law?
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Genealogy is one of my hobbies so I do know a bit of what I'm talking about. For first cousins once removed, the common ancestor is the grand-parent of one cousin and the great-grandparent of the other cousin. Another term for such a relationship is cousin-aunt/uncle and cousin-nephew/niece. Some would say that "once removed" refers to once removed by marriage, ie a cousin in law. Others claim it refers to one generation removed. For that reason I prefer the less ambiguous cousin-aunt or cousin-uncle.
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I totally agree. So many think the first-cousin-once-removed
is their "second cousin", whereas second cousins would be
the children of each of the first cousins? Correct?
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[quote] Cousins have common ancestors not common descendents.
"In-law" means by marriage, not by birth. What are they if the couple never have children?
What is your cousin's spouse if not your cousin-in-law? [/quote ] Indeed, what else? but your cousin-in-law? I find this really interesting in America (or Western Society) whereas the Jewish conversation above was quite important,if for nothing else in a nomadic society, having plenty of "cousins" to defend the tribe. Witness Abraham and his 318 retainers. (Genesis 14:14)
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Jewish conversation above was quite important,if for nothing else in a nomadic society, having plenty of "cousins" to defend the tribe. Witness Abraham and his 318 retainers. (Genesis 14:14) (Without wanting to turn this into a biblical exegesis class...) This can be misleading if taken out of the wider Genesis story because it doesn't take into account Genesis 12:16 which says that Abraham acquired many menservants and maidservants in Egypt. And there are mentioned on several occasions his 'herdsmen' who may have been these Egyptian servants or local Canaanites employed for this purpose. So "the 318 trained men born in his household" that he called out in Gen 14:14 were probably mostly not Abraham's relatives at all! Cousins were mostly important to Ancient Near Eastern tribal culture for marrying. And this is also reflected in the Genesis narratives. Abraham and Isaac sent their children back to the land of their ancestors to find marriage partners from amongst their cousins.
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My understanding is that lots of languages have distinct names for many relationships. I read a funny article on the subject years ago by a man proposing English names for every relationship imaginable. I think the title was "Are you a Funkle?" That's what your father's brother would be. Your mother's brother would be your Munkle. Your sister's daughter would be your Siece, and your brother's daughter would be your Biece. It got complicated when he got to the in-laws, but there was a system. Anyway, we call in our family we like "inlaw-inlaws" better than "outlaws".
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Jewish conversation above was quite important,if for nothing else in a nomadic society, having plenty of "cousins" to defend the tribe. Witness Abraham and his 318 retainers. (Genesis 14:14) (Without wanting to turn this into a biblical exegesis class...) This can be misleading if taken out of the wider Genesis story because it doesn't take into account Genesis 12:16 which says that Abraham acquired many menservants and maidservants in Egypt. And there are mentioned on several occasions his 'herdsmen' who may have been these Egyptian servants or local Canaanites employed for this purpose. So "the 318 trained men born in his household" that he called out in Gen 14:14 were probably mostly not Abraham's relatives at all! Cousins were mostly important to Ancient Near Eastern tribal culture for marrying. And this is also reflected in the Genesis narratives. Abraham and Isaac sent their children back to the land of their ancestors to find marriage partners from amongst their cousins. Most assuredly your analysis can be correct. But many may have married into the tribe between the chapters indicated. But not to bicker. And returning to the land of their ancestors is also common, as you point out, and used for defense reasons as well. Who knows? Interesting concept in a discussion about in laws and the like.
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My understanding is that lots of languages have distinct names for many relationships. I read a funny article on the subject years ago by a man proposing English names for every relationship imaginable. I think the title was "Are you a Funkle?" That's what your father's brother would be. Your mother's brother would be your Munkle. Your sister's daughter would be your Siece, and your brother's daughter would be your Biece. It got complicated when he got to the in-laws, but there was a system. Anyway, we call in our family we like "inlaw-inlaws" better than "outlaws". Which reminds me of the old "folksong"(?) entitled "I am my own Grandpa". Does anyone know the words to that song, or know where to get them?
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well, my first notion was to try the obvious contraction: link - ron o.
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