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That's a hard 'th' as in 'the' not a soft one as in 'thin' of course. The 'v' is pronounced somewhere between an English 'b' and 'v' - it's not quite either really.
That's a voiced th /ð/ as in they /þei/ and not a voiceless one as in thin /þɪn/. An intervocalic b or v in Spanish is pronounced as a voiced bilabial fricative /β/ as in deber 'ought' /ðɛβɛr/. Having grown up in California and lived in Nevada for a year, I heard both /nɛ'vɑdɑ/ and /nɛ'vædə/ for Nevada, both of which are nothing like /nɛ'βaða/.
[Corrected incorrect example of a voiced dental fricative.]
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yeah that's what I meant, lol  I can never be bothered going off and cutting and pasting all those IPA symbols and remembering the technical terms. ...hang on, you say thick with a voiced 'th'?  I say it the same way I say thin. A voiced 'th' (i.e. 'dh') would be for me as in: with, without the they them that worthy Voiceless would be as in in: think thought thaw worthless
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Here Colorado native “mapguy” states, Colorado: we natives pronounce it call-uh-RAD-o (the accented syllable rhymes with "bad"). We figure anyone who says call-uh-ROD-o or call-uh-ROD-der must be either a tourist or a short-time resident (when they pronounce the accented syllable as if it rhymes with "pod"). Despite what you may hear on local newscasts, we're call-uh-RAD-o-uns (five syllables), not call-uh-ROD-uns (four syllables). Do I sumrise from this that Coloradans pronounce "pod" as pahd? It's very confusing for us Aussies who pronounce short o's as o's and not as a's. In call-uh-ROD-o for us ROD would rhyme with odd. So you mean you say it as cawl-uh-radduns? Where radd rhymes with bad. Thus showing the futility of explaining how we pronounce words by comparing them with how we pronounce other words. I, and probably most Coloradans, too, would pronounce odd to rhyme with pod. You want confusing, start trying to figure out what R means in a pronunciation explanation from a non-rhotic speaker.
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...hang on, you say thick with a voiced 'th'? I say it the same way I say thin. A voiced 'th' (i.e. 'dh') would be for me as in: with, withoutHoo-hah, here we go! Most of time, for me, these are unvoiced! Likewise most folks around me (you too, Fal?). Don't know if it's an Aussie/UK issue. Maybe someone else does. I knew zmjezhd would weigh in with all the technical stuff - can't resist! But we have covered this territory before about the "b" and "v" and Spain and South America and Puerto Rico... βlah βlah βlah... ;0)
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...hang on, you say thick with a voiced 'th'?
That's how I was pronouncing it last night when I posted without proofreading. (Actually, I pronounce thick with a voiceless th.) They and there have voiced dental fricatives. With and without have voiceless ones though. I'll correct my blunder.
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But we have covered this territory before about the "b" and "v" and Spain and South America and Puerto Rico... βlah βlah βlah... ;0) Have we? How time flies like a banana. 
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Thus showing the futility of explaining how we pronounce words by comparing them with how we pronounce other words. And that goes double for place names! I have a friend from Colorado City, Texas (pronounced cawl-uh-RAY-dough) which is near El Dorado, Texas (duh-RAY-dough) who pronounces the state of Colorado and the Colorado river both as cah luh rod oh.
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But we have covered this territory before about the "b" and "v" and Spain and South America and Puerto Rico... βlah βlah βlah... ;0) Have we? How time flies like a banana. really? I thought time flies like an arrow?
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...hang on, you say thick with a voiced 'th'?
That's how I was pronouncing it last night when I posted without proofreading. (Actually, I pronounce thick with a voiceless th.) They and there have voiced dental fricatives. With and without have voiceless ones though. I'll correct my blunder. lol. nice to know you're human too! I was a little confuzzled there for a while!
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lol. nice to know you're human too!
Is he? R'lyeh doesn't sound like a fun place for a human to live. Nuncle is clearly one of the Great Old Ones, though.
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