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zmjezhd #177027 05/19/08 08:56 AM
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 Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
quiromancia means magic of hands, sive hand or palm reading

Ah, I see; my bad. I was fooled by the Spanish orthography. Greek χειρος (kheiros) 'hand'. So, in English, the word might be autochiroeresty.

Quite so ditto. Knowing Spanish and Greek I should have thought of that too. The old grey matter she ain't what she used to be...

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 Originally Posted By: olly

Without getting to biblically inclined it was, as zmjezhd pointed out, technically a Levirate marriage which was legal. It was indeed the spilling of the seed for his own means that was the crime.

Correct. A Levirate marriage maintained the line of the brother and his share in the national "salvation" - ie his right to a bit of the Promised Land. The children born would be counted as those of the dead brother not the living one, and that's why Onan "spilled his seed" - because those children would've competed with his own for the family resources.

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The Good Book states that penalty was for "spilling semen into ground", am I right?

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I think it was George Carlin that said: "If God had not wanted us to masturbate, he would have made our arms shorter".


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In the 19th century some said "If God wanted that mankind would fly, He would had given us wings". There is also a penalty for those who induce others to sin, "better had a mill stone put around their neck and be thrown to sea"

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 Originally Posted By: Jose Gros
The Good Book states that penalty was for "spilling semen into ground", am I right?

Not exactly, no. That is just a description of what Onan did so as not to impregnate his dead brother's wife. The penalty in Onan's case was for practising what was in effect contraception by premature withdrawal in order to deny his brother a continuing line of children, probably because they would have competed with his own children by his wife. It is not a law saying that if you spill your seed on the ground God will punish you, like for example the law about not coveting you neighbour's wife or stealing. It is a story about something that happened. The only law involved in this story was the law of Levirate marriage - that was the law he was breaking.

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Hello again!: while in school we were told a story of student that died suddendly. When the other scholars were praying for him, he appeared from death and said "do not pray for me, I'm in hell, as I commited a sin the night I died". Jesuit teachers insisted that auto chiro erasty was to be blamed for the awful destiny...

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The teachers must not have thought much of the common practice of repenting immediately after each commission of what is considered to be sin.

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 Originally Posted By: morphememedley
The teachers must not have thought much of the common practice of repenting immediately after each commission of what is considered to be sin.

I could comment on the anti-biblical teaching of these men but it's probably getting too far off topic and potentially sectarian.

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I could not agree with The Pook more, even though it is 3-4 months after the discussion seemingly ended. And the widow and her relation with Judah is another story.

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