Re: "In my language" [Re: BranShea]
TheFallibleFiend TheFallibleFiend
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Loc: Virginia, USA Let me try this again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc #174253 - Yesterday at 10:38 AM Re: "In my language" [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
etaoin etaoin
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Loc: Vermont wow.
this just stuns me into recognition of the work that Oliver Sacks and others are doing around neurological development. from my totally non-scientific place, it seems that somewhere along the line, a basic aspect of human brain development that is depressed in "normal" humans, to make it possible for us to live in groups, etc., doesn't get shutdown in autistic people. Sacks writes of several things that are present in all infants, that for sake of social/life reasons are "unevolved" (my word) as we get older.
fascinating.
#174256 - Yesterday at 11:43 AM Re: "In my language" [Re: etaoin]
Hydra Hydra
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Posts: 509 I saw this a few months ago.
It's incredible, so long as facilitated communication hasn't had a hand in it, which is always difficult to rule out.
#174257 - Yesterday at 11:45 AM Re: "In my language" [Re: Hydra]
TheFallibleFiend TheFallibleFiend
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"so long as facilitated communication hasn't had a hand in it"
The thought occurred to me. It's not clear by what method the textual translation occurs. On one part we see her doing something on a keyboard, but it's not clear what's happening in that instance.
#174282 - Yesterday at 07:39 PM Re: "In my language" [Re: TheFallibleFiend]
olly olly
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Originally Posted By: TheFallibleFiend
"so long as facilitated communication hasn't had a hand in it"
The thought occurred to me. It's not clear by what method the textual translation occurs. On one part we see her doing something on a keyboard, but it's not clear what's happening in that instance.
Almost too well put together. The use of video communication is something that is not alien or incomprehensible to many. The story was well told and obviously thought went into editing, sound and graphics. Having said that, the message was loud and clear and communicated a common misconception about people with not only mental, but also physical and social disabilities. A bit of an eye opener for me.
#174285 - Yesterday at 09:11 PM Re: "In my language" [Re: olly]
Jackie Jackie Administrator
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Loc: Louisville, Kentucky Hmm. Non-communicative? Hmm. Is it communication if you're expressing yourself in a way or ways that no one around you can understand? For ex., if I went to a place where no one understood English NOR any body language I came up with, would I be "non-communicative"?
I tend to think of non-communicative as making no attempt to communicate with others. I also have serious doubt that interacting with your environment--that is, handling inanimate objects--is communication, barring some special circumstances. [getting close to the If a tree falls in a forest question e]
I guess I'm thinking pretty strictly of inter-human, or possibly human-animal, communication. I've heard the expression "commune with nature"; and we have at least a couple of painters on Board--I may be speaking out of turn for them, but I will presume that they derive things from their paint(ings): that certain paints "give" certain feelings, for ex., and that different types of brush strokes give different impressions, etc. But--and I do know that people say that paint, or stone, etc., speaks to them--I still don't think these objects are communicating with the artists.
#174292 - 9 minutes 56 seconds ago Re: "In my language" [Re: Jackie]
The Pook The Pook
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Originally Posted By: Jackie
Hmm. Non-communicative? Hmm. Is it communication if you're expressing yourself in a way or ways that no one around you can understand? For ex., if I went to a place where no one understood English NOR any body language I came up with, would I be "non-communicative"?
I tend to think of non-communicative as making no attempt to communicate with others. I also have serious doubt that interacting with your environment--that is, handling inanimate objects--is communication, barring some special circumstances. [getting close to the If a tree falls in a forest question e]
I guess I'm thinking pretty strictly of inter-human, or possibly human-animal, communication. I've heard the expression "commune with nature"; and we have at least a couple of painters on Board--I may be speaking out of turn for them, but I will presume that they derive things from their paint(ings): that certain paints "give" certain feelings, for ex., and that different types of brush strokes give different impressions, etc. But--and I do know that people say that paint, or stone, etc., speaks to them--I still don't think these objects are communicating with the artists.
Communication requires sentience or at least higher animal intelligence. A rock is not communicating with you even if you think it is beautiful. That's just you reacting to it and responding emotionally. "Communing with nature" is just a figure of speech. Besides, the word "commune" doesn't imply communication, that is, propositional transfer of information. It is a far broader term, meaning literally 'unite with' or 'in union with.' This may be a mystical union that has nothing to do with communicating.
It's a moot point as to whether the word 'communication' implies mutuality as well - that is, whether it is a two way process.
