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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 3 1 2 3 Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: latishya] #173404 02/09/08 09:22 PM 02/09/08 09:22 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh after seeing them lauded by languagehat Yes, Steve is a great language blogger. (I see I mentioned Wardhaugh in my comment to the entry linked to; I learned about him via Geoff Pullum's entry on Language Log.) Ceci n'est pas un seing. Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: Faldage] #173405 02/09/08 09:23 PM 02/09/08 09:23 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh Is it OK to use "and" to begin a sentence if you're using it as a verb? <Grin> I wonder if and is an adverb in try and V constructions? Ceci n'est pas un seing. Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: Faldage] #173406 02/09/08 11:42 PM 02/09/08 11:42 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,538 this too shall pass >Is it OK to use "and" to begin a sentence if you're using it as a verb? OR the result with 11111. -joe (posts, that is) friday Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: tsuwm] #173414 02/10/08 02:07 PM 02/10/08 02:07 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Originally Posted By: tsuwm OR the result with 11111. -joe (posts, that is) friday Too true. And then some. Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: Faldage] #173457 02/12/08 01:46 AM 02/12/08 01:46 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Here is the text of Archbishop Wulfstan's early 11th century Sermo Lupi ad Anglos, considered one of the masterworks of English rhetoric. It contains 80 sentences. Thirty-eight of them begin with the word and. Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: Faldage] #175598 04/05/08 09:46 PM 04/05/08 09:46 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Just thought I'd bring this back up. Recently ran into this old post from Mark Lieberman at Language Log on beginning sentences with and. Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: Faldage] #175602 04/05/08 10:30 PM 04/05/08 10:30 PM Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 876 western NY twosleepy old hand twosleepy   old hand Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 876 western NY I've always thought twice before doing so, but I am not so rigid that I would not. I do find, however, that often the "And" may be removed and still have the meaning, intent and grace of the writing remain intact, in which case it is not necessary. "But this rule has been ridiculed by grammarians for decades," I realize he was trying to make a point (and a funny), but I think the "But" can be replaced with "Yet" and not break any rules (or is there a rule against "yet"?) whilst retaining all the meaning. Good editing requires the removal of the unnecessary, the redundant and the superfluous. ;0) Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: Bigwig Rabbit] #175605 04/06/08 08:22 AM 04/06/08 08:22 AM Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,067 Tasmania The Pook old hand The Pook   old hand Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,067 Tasmania  Originally Posted By: Bigwig Rabbit An analogy might be the use of the prefix "dis" (as I mentioned in a previous thread) in place of "dys" by folk etymology for a word like diskenisia, properly spelled dyskenisia, but commonly used inappropriately ROFL. Are you kidding? Since when has the word dyskenisia ever been used in folk-anything? Folk don't know what it means, let alone its etymology. AND (ha), actually it's spelled dyskinesia! Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: Faldage] #175615 04/06/08 02:31 PM 04/06/08 02:31 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh Thirty-eight of them begin with the word and. I've always thought that particles like this were a kind of punctuation in non-metrical oral literature. Beginning a sentence with and or but indicates that one sentences has stopped: sort of a rhetorical version of a period (or full stop). Also, how does one handle the sentences to be coordinated if they are distributed between two writers? John said "Do not end a sentence with a preposition." "But better writers than you did it all the time!" Mary replied. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Re: And to begin a sentence [Re: zmjezhd] #175634 04/06/08 10:42 PM 04/06/08 10:42 PM Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 Auckland, New Zealand olly old hand olly   old hand Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 956 Auckland, New Zealand And sentences ending with and? Page 2 of 3 1 2 3 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. 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