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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Gravamen and Flaubert #170482 10/08/07 07:44 AM Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 1 A aiasthewall OP stranger OP aiasthewall stranger A Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 1 Hello, This is the first time that the quote from the word of the day has interested me to a degree such that I felt I had to share my thoughts. Namely, disregarding whether or not James actually thought as much, what do you think of Flaubert's characters lacking a "sufficiently deep consciousness"? For my part, I think it is true, but not pejoratively. Flaubert's characters, it seems to me, are surrounded by a certain halo of drama such that their depth becomes the surface--or something like the surface--of that which happens around them and that which they determine. Still life, will, will leading into still life: these are the characteristics which I love about Flaubert, especially 'A Simple Heart"...and, especially in French. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Gravamen and Flaubert aiasthewall #170484 10/08/07 05:02 PM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague I can only welcome something I can heartily agree with. Maybe mr. James was mostly referring to Mme Bovary, the novel that has been transformed into too many movies.(where depth of character is a standing issue) I must say I read "Trois contes" of which "Un Coeur Simple"is the first, a long time ago. But I remember how "Un coeur simple" was very moving and beautiful.Beauty creates deep consiousness (I think) independent from the depth of conciousness of characters. I think you verbalized it better than I can.I went through my French books and saw I got two copies. The first, and my first read from 1956. The second from 1983, where I must have bought it again thinking the first one was lost. Added: Edit:Thinking on, do you mean (I suppose you mean)a writer can describe a character in such way that the character of that person becomes sufficiently clear from the surrounding events/ atmosphere, surrounding details? Last edited by BranShea; 10/08/07 08:16 PM. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary Forum Statistics Forums16 Topics13,913 Posts229,330 Members9,182 Most Online3,341 Dec 9th, 2011 Newest Members Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV 9,182 Registered Users Who's Online Now 0 members (), 1,577 guests, and 1 robot. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters(30 Days) wofahulicodoc 31 A C Bowden 15 ddrinnan 1 Top Posters wwh 13,858 Faldage 13,803 Jackie 11,613 tsuwm 10,542 wofahulicodoc 10,541 LukeJavan8 9,916 Buffalo Shrdlu 7,210 AnnaStrophic 6,511 Wordwind 6,296 of troy 5,400

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