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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: Music buffs: major question #165866 02/10/07 07:54 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Chicago musick Carpal Tunnel musick Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Chicago However, there are two possible keys for every key signature. For example, the key signature of one sharp (an f#) may be that of G Major or that of e minor. {emphasis mine} I like to think of (and subsequently hear) key centers as functions of mode. It leaves a lot more sounds available to the ear than the simple "western" major-minor perspective. Dorian, keeping with the same example, which starts on an "A" but also uses only the "f#" alteration, gives a much more uplifting, focusing... almost centering effect without need for further harmonic resolution "along the way", and it acheives this with 6 out of the same 7 tone relationships. (Not withstanding "western" intervention to alter it as per the habits of the aeolian/ionian history... in essence, robbing it of it's natural beauty or at least prostituting it to enhance thier own shortcomings) . I say, without hesitation, that the raised sixth of the dorain scale is a *force to be reckoned with, the doorway to a different aural experience I'm reminded of as I sing it to myself... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Some more modal history #165867 02/11/07 01:16 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 There are seven modes of the sort that musick was talking about with his comments on Dorian. One way of looking at them is to think of the white keys on a piano. The mode with the scale starting (AKA the tonic) on D is called the Dorian. The rest are: Code: Tonic Name E Phrygian F Lydian G Mixolydian A Aeolian B Locrian C Ionian Another way of looking at them is to analyze them as major or minor keys with one (or more) notes off. Dorian is minor with a raised 6th. Phrygian is minor with a lowered second. Lydian is major with a raised fourth. Mixolydian is major with a lowered seventh. Aeolian is the pure minor without the jiggery-pokery done to the standard harmonic or melodic minors of regular music. Locrian is minor with a lowered second and a lowered fifth* Ionian is the good old standard major scale. *This lowered (or diminished, to use the technical term) fifth is what scares most people away. It was considered evil and not used in the church modes of chant. The interval of a diminished fifth, however, is not all that uncommon in later (Renaissance and newer) music, often being used to suggest some foreboding. For example, in the Schubert A-flat Mass the basses get to sing a diminished fifth in the Credo on the word Pontio when singing of the belief in the crucifixion of Jesus. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Some more modal history #165868 02/12/07 06:06 AM Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Hydra OP addict OP Hydra addict Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 631 Musick, Faldage -- Are you music professors? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Music buffs: major question #165869 02/14/07 11:52 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,819 Spam Factory A Alex Williams Pooh-Bah Alex Williams Pooh-Bah A Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,819 Spam Factory Quote: Can you play anything on that shoe? no, but if you hum a few bars.... Apparently, Eta's oeuvre does not include sole music. [*running off to the witness protection program emoticon*] Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Some more modal history #165870 02/14/07 03:36 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Quote: Musick, Faldage -- Are you music professors? My mother was a music major in college and she kept all her textbooks. I read all of them. That got me started. No, I'm not a professor and my peformance skills are all vocal and all require either lots of protective cover or a good disguise. I've gone both ways. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Music buffs: major question #165871 02/15/07 12:35 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Quote: Quote: Can you play anything on that shoe? no, but if you hum a few bars.... Apparently, Eta's oeuvre does not include sole music. [*running off to the witness protection program emoticon*] I was going to make some clever reply laced with puns but I'll hold my tongue. formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Music buffs: major question #165872 02/15/07 01:21 PM Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 Marion NC TEd Remington Carpal Tunnel TEd Remington Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 Marion NC At last! TEd Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Some more modal history #165873 02/15/07 02:58 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky That's right! Ooh, thanks for the feeling of greeting old friends. (I did not keep my textbooks.) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Music buffs: major question #165874 02/15/07 11:21 PM Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 74 Sandy, Utah pennyless journeyman pennyless journeyman Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 74 Sandy, Utah ... he said archly. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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