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#16269 - 01/21/01 10:58 AM bespoke (for our English correspondents
TEd Remington Offline
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In a novel I was reading yesterday I found the following: "He wore an English bespoke suit." The OED says that bespoken has a meaning of "ordered". Do I assume correctly that bespoke suit mean one that is tailored as opposed to off-the-rack?


#16270 - 01/21/01 11:51 AM Re: bespoke (for our English correspondents
Capital Kiwi Offline
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Yep, you got it in one. I bespeak my suits from a tailor in Singapore - cheaper and generally better quality than off-the-peg here in New Zealand and several miles cheaper than bespoke tailors here.

The idiot also known as Capfka ...

#16271 - 01/21/01 12:07 PM Re: bespoke (for our English correspondents
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I like this citation, from Punch:
A ‘Special Collection’ which is, in harsh reality, a collection of bargain bespokes.

#16272 - 01/23/01 03:45 PM Re: bespoke (for our English correspondents
FishonaBike Offline

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Hi TEd,

I notice my English brethren and sistren (?) have deigned not to post on this one, probably because your question appeared to have been answered.

But I have to throw in that I've hardly ever heard of bespoke suits, even if I know what they are. You can get tailored suits, and that's it. I admit to the possibility that I may not be moving in the right circles.

However, we talk about bespoke software (meaning customised rather than shrink-wrapped), and I think I've heard talk of bespoke cars as an alternate term for kit cars - where you order in the bits you want and assemble a unique heap of junk that costs you a fortune.


Oh yes Happy New Year everyone.

#16273 - 01/23/01 03:53 PM Re: Geschwister - why not?
Max Quordlepleen Offline
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After a marathon period of piscine pedalling away from here, Shona returned with I notice my English brethren and sistren (?)

Can any of our phine philologists tell me if English ever had a word like the German Geschwister? I've always thought that it was particularly handy, not to mention that its close connexion with schwester over bruder intrigued me from an herstorical perspective.

#16274 - 01/23/01 03:54 PM Re: Shona, you snake
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Shona wishes us "Happy New Year everyone"

Thank you and the same to you.

#16275 - 01/23/01 05:06 PM Happy 4699
wow Offline
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To you all ... Happy New Year, Jan. 23, 4699
From my pal who is heavily into Chinese culture, comes the following for your interest: 4966, the year of the metal yin Snake. Yin means receptive, interior, female.
Snake compass point is South/SouthEast
Snake time of the day is 9 to 11 a.m.
Snake season is Spring to Summer.
Snake is inherently fire. Fire melts metal thus a controlling cycle governs this year.
In other cultures the years are :
Islamic 1421
Christian 2001
Hindu 2056,
Chinese 4699
Jewish 5761.
The Snake is a highly spiritual symbol, a symbol of renewal and rebirth and, some say, the soul of the dragon. Women born in Snake years are considered the most beautiful... a great compliment in Asian cultures is to say "You are a veritable Snake of a woman."
Guess who was born in the year of the Snake !

#16276 - 01/23/01 05:11 PM Re: Happy 4699
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isn't it amazing how millions and millions of people born in the same year will all have the same characteristics?

#16277 - 01/23/01 06:03 PM Re: Happy 4699
Hyla Offline

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In other cultures the years are :
Islamic 1421
Christian 2001
Hindu 2056,
Chinese 4699
Jewish 5761.

Did the Chinese or Jewish cultures run into any problems with the Y2K bug a few thousand years ago, or did they find some way around it?

#16278 - 01/23/01 09:29 PM Re: Happy 4699
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Thank you for that, wow. I am a snake, too, and hadn't quite figured it was my year again (I'm a late-blooming-boomer-kinda-serpent).

(I just KNEW we had something in common!)

Tsuwm, read my lips:

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