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Don't criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. That way, when you begin to criticize him, you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes.
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I knit--(as many know) and i knit socks all the time...
one of brand of sock yarn i use, is Cervinia, (an italian sock yarn)--which is marked: speciale per calzetteria--which i generally presumed meant "special(or especially) for socks"
--but it took me this many hours (since early this AM) to realize the italian word for socks is based on the word for shoe (if calzone is related to shoe, calzetteria (for sock) most certainly is also!)
etteria as an ending exist in english at least in one word(cafeteria --only a single t but clearly related.)
i'll slip over to onelook to see exactly what 'eteria' --i can guess at the meaning, but...
what fun!
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Calzone means shoe?! Egad, I don't think I'll tell my husband that; he likes to eat them.
EDIT: Wups--just got around to reading yesterday's Word; now this thread makes sense! [smacking palm to forehead e]
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and watch out for heels of bread.. wouldn't want to eat them either would you?
(in our house, the heel, especially the heel of a bakery rye bread, was a treat) bakery food was a treat, and the best bakery was 2 blocks away--uphill, so who every had the task of running to the bakery was always rewarded with the heel--it could be eaten on the leasurely downhill walk home.
--if you waited till you got home, someone else might eat it when you weren't looking!
we called the heels 'bread cookies' (my son still enjoys twice baked bread in its various forms (biscotti, zwibach, rusks, etc) i like only rye bread heels and biscotti.
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Don't know "socks", but en Español, zapatería is shoe store.
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heels of bread.. wouldn't want to eat them either would you? No--but hubby likes them, too! Give me the nice soft white part any day, preferably warm and full of melted butter. Yum--better than any sweet dessert!
Wups again--here, smack my hand for seeming like I'm trying to turn this into a food thread! [presenting hand e]
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Well then, off of food and back to the original subject: Quote:
Don't criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. That way, when you begin to criticize him, you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes.
For an exceedingly mean take on a related old parable:
I was sad because I had no shoes.
Then I saw a man with no feet.
I figured he did not need any shoes so I took his. 
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do you have weird conversation with your family about words (food words included?)
my son came across the word rusk in a book, and called me to ask what it was (this was some 10 years or so ago) --i immediately replied "english (british english) for a zwibach."
(likewise he knew mandlebrot as mathmatisian, and was confused when i was talking about them.. until i explained that mandlebrot was a german name for biscotti.
in our house chewy and hard bread were prefered over soft bread.
mostly bread was homemade, but we also liked bagels, and bagel chips (thin sliced bagels, toated) and melba toast.
dense, low gluten breads (ryes, pumpernickel, 7 grain (corn bread--where corn means local grain, maize) and corn meal (maize) bread (aka anadama)were all favorites--still are.
(we did do a thread on the various names for breads and baked goods once didn't we? not too much food, more just names of food)
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That was enlightening; always had thought that mandlebrot was something eaten by mathmatisians.
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are you familiar with fractals? one famous fractal is called the mandlebrot series--for the mathmatician.
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Many of my female friends think that shoes are wonderful. I don't know what *they* think would be the lowest on the totem pole of human accouterments, but *I* think it should be a man's tie!
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a man's tie serves 1 purpose-to get a woman to look at it, and to follow it up to his face and eyes.
fashion is one of those things that is useless --only its a billion $$ industry.
it meaning less--only we humans tend to judge a book by its cover--and fashion is just the name of the cover.
a guy who won't spring money for (and has no women in his life to care about hime and buy him nice ties) is not a guy i think i would be interested in.
OK that's a bit of an exageration.. but if i guy is too cheap to spend money on himself, (and buy nice clothes (and ties)) than i can only think he'll treat me worse. who needs that?
(true confession--i have shoe cubbies to store my shoes. each cubby (i have 2) holds 36 pair. both are full. )
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it meaning less--only we humans tend to judge a book by its cover--and fashion is just the name of the cover.
a guy who won't spring money for (and has no women in his life to care about hime and buy him nice ties) is not a guy i think i would be interested in.
OK that's a bit of an exageration.. but if i guy is too cheap to spend money on himself, (and buy nice clothes (and ties)) than i can only think he'll treat me worse. who needs that?
How about if he spends the money on books instead of clothes? He might arrive on the doorstep with an etymological dictionary for you.
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Woo Woo! Now THAT'S romance 
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Italian calzone, calzoni, 'pants, trousers, breeches' is literally a 'big sock' is from calza 'sock', which latter is from Late Latin calcea 'stocking', ultimately from Latin calx, calcis, 'heel', (not to be confused with its synonym, 'small pebble, stone'). The main word for shoe in Italian is scarpa. Italian calzetta is a diminutive of calza, but calzetteria means 'shoe-maker's shop'. The -ria part is probably related to English -ry in armory,
The Roman emperor, Caligula, got his nickname growing up in a German legionary camp, from caliga 'a soldier's shoe'. His name meant something like bootsy.
Cafeteria is from New World Spanish, from French cafetera 'coffee-maker'.
And my favorite, in German a glove is a Handshuh, literally a hand-shoe.
This is fun.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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Turkish çapata 'a type of shoe' is the origin for Italian ciabatta, French savate, and Spanish zapata.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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just yesterday (evening) i got a knitting book with sock and sweater patterns. It's printed by a german company, in german, french, italian and english.
they call the men's socks (in italian) calzini da uomo(sock for men) and they call the childrens knee socks--calzettoni
perhaps there are several terms for socks (in italian)
socks (english) is obviously from a german word--mens socks are Herrensocken and knee socks are kniesocken--
but we also use the term stocking, and hose, and hosiery, and leggings. and sox is not unknown either!
there is footwear as well as shoes, --and boots, and mules, and moc's, and lots of other words for the stuff we wear on our feet. some terms more generic, some more specific.
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There is a difference between calzini 'socks' and calzoni 'pants; panties; calzones, (a food item)'. Hosen in German means 'trousers', stockings being Strümpfe. See the articles on calze and scarpa in the Italian Wikipedia. [Added more links.]
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...familiar with fractals?..
Yes, first introduction involved a fascinating graphics generation scheme that could enlarge (fictional) map details to an unlimited extent. 
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...but if i guy is too cheap to spend money on himself, (and buy nice clothes (and ties)) than i can only think he'll treat me worse. who needs that?
That may not be about cheapness, Imelda. Some men (at least one) are too solipsistic  to care about appearances to other observers who probably do not exist and would rather purchase tools. Perhaps you will have a mechanical failure you need worked on at some point. 
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Turkish çapata 'a type of shoe' is the origin for Italian ciabatta, French savate, and Spanish zapata.
Crikey! [ ] Just had a 'new' sandwich at a restaurant yesterday that was called "ciabatta" and wondered if the term was Italian. Holy coincidence, Batman! 
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my son is facinated (or was facinated) by fractals and other recursive numbers. he did a westinghouse science competition paper on the subject (some 15 +years ago)
(the competetion is now run by intel, not westinghouse)
at the time we had a TI99-4A computer, with non WYSIWYG word processing software.
i was the champ at formating, he typed, i formated.
and in the process, i learned a good deal about fractals.
(he enter the competition because his father pressured him, but he was pleased in the end when he won an honorable mention. (there are thousands of those awarded))
i remember graphic software, the kind you speak of, being available--some of it was available on floppies.(this is long ago, in the dawn of time)
we had some--and its was stuff you could boot to your computer--we also had software (that fit on 1 floppy) for making RDA-(random dot astiagrams)--better known as magic eye images-you know the kind that if you look at them crooked, they appear to be 3D images. i think i still have a copy of the RDA software.. but i don't know if it would work with modern OS's.
i was a bit parinoid--i didn't want my son to have internet access at home.. i was afraid of what he might/could do. i had access(limited)at work, he waited till he got to college (and was nominally an independant adult. --over the age of 18, and not living at home!) before he had an internet on ramp.
(he now is a web master for an internet active company)
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hmm, interesting, nuncle. Having just been up to town to see the fabulous new production of Tosca this got me wondering if the sound of Baron Scarpia's name is just coincidence or if there's more of a connection. I can't find out much about the original play's sources.
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this got me wondering if the sound of Baron Scarpia's name is just coincidence or if there's more of a connectionI'm not sure either, but the similarity would be obvious to an Italian. (Perhaps, something along the lines of calling a cop a flatfoot or a detective a gumshoe in English.) Italian scarpa comes from a Germanic word skarpa meaning 'shoe'; cf. OHG scharpe. There is a synonym in Italian, scarpa 'embankment' from * skrapa 'pier, support'. And since the House of Savoy and its pretender to the Italian throne is lately in the news, I've remembered a Genoese proverb that says that "Any Piedmontese with one shoe calls himself a count." I'll try to find the original wording. [Found it, and it's less scurrilous than my half-remembered one.] In Piemonte, a chi ha due scarpe in ti pê ghe dixan conte. ( In Piemonte, chi ha due scarpe nei piedi gli dicono conte. / In Piedmont, whoever has two shoes on his feet, calls himself count.) [In Ennio Celant, 1990, Proverbi liguri: curiosità, origini, storia, p. 111.]
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Actually, zweibach would be the equivalent of biscotti, since they both translate to "twice baked." I am not sure, but think that "mandlebrot" might refer to "almond bread."
On the subject of socks, in learning the Spanish for "That's what it is!" it is useful to know that "Eso si que es!" pronounced S-O-C-K-S, which of course spells "socks."
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yup, mandlebrot is almold bread.. almold bread is baked in loaf, sliced, and baked again. zwibach is plain bread twice baked (more like a thick melba toast--
melba toast: small slices (or points) of bread, toast till evenly dry and crunchy.
(named for a NZ (i think) soprano (who also had peaches melba named for her--peaches served with raspberry sause--i am not sure if ice cream is part of the original dish.. but its certainly a common ingredient most times!
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German Zwieback is almost a direct translation of Italian biscotti: the former means 'twice baked' and the latter 'twice cooked'. (Cf. panna cotta 'cooked cream' and terra cotta 'cooked earth'.)
[Fixed typos.]
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yup, mandlebrot is almold bread.. almold bread is baked in loaf, sliced, and baked again. zwibach is plain bread twice baked (more like a thick melba toast--
Would have thought almold bread was any kind that was left out in humidity long enough to turn green. Aramis had a red dictionary (back sometime near the stone age) that had 'zwieback' as the last entry. Thought it was Brit at the time but it is obviously from German, given mention of the 'twice' angle.
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I was astounded to hear one of the words of the day, cordwainer, or a variation thereof at least, used by one of the contestants on Jeopardy within 1 day of receiving Anu's email. Considering that the shows are taped far in advance, it is an odd coincidence!
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this got me wondering if the sound of Baron Scarpia's name is just coincidence or if there's more of a connection
I'm not sure either, but the similarity would be obvious to an Italian. (Perhaps, something along the lines of calling a cop a flatfoot or a detective a gumshoe in English.) Italian scarpa comes from a Germanic word skarpa meaning 'shoe'; cf. OHG scharpe. There is a synonym in Italian, scarpa 'embankment' from *skrapa 'pier, support'.
And since the House of Savoy and its pretender to the Italian throne is lately in the news, I've remembered a Genoese proverb that says that "Any Piedmontese with one shoe calls himself a count." I'll try to find the original wording.
[Found it, and it's less scurrilous than my half-remembered one.]
In Piemonte, a chi ha due scarpe in ti pê ghe dixan conte. (In Piemonte, chi ha due scarpe nei piedi gli dicono conte. / In Piedmont, whoever has two shoes on his feet, calls himself count.)
[In Ennio Celant, 1990, Proverbi liguri: curiosità, origini, storia, p. 111.]
mmm, lovely - thanks for digging that out. Yes, I strongly suspect that connection of sound & associative meaning now.
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